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Poll Results: Is Ubuntu junk?

 
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    Yes
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Actually, Ubuntu as itself, takes away from learning Linux. It has nothing to do with CLI or GUI, elitest or noobs, or w.e else. With Ubuntu, you have to go out of your way to learn how to do things, while in many other distro's, you have to learn to do those things before you can actually do them. Going barebone and building up, you learn all the mechanics, whether or not you'll use them is not the point. Point is you'll be able to if time comes down to it. Say, I get a problem with my Gentoo install from a bad config file, well hey, I know where that file is and with a quick skim-through can find out what's wrong normally. Your average Ubuntu user? Googles, asks on forums, or just flat out rage quits and go about on forums talking smack about how Linux is so bad. Just because (s)he didn't know how to do something, or how to check for errors, etc.
And since Ubuntu sets everything up for you and you have no interaction with the config files, if something goes wrong and you don't know what to do, or where to go. God help you.
And technically Arch/Gentoo can have any of your favorite GUI's installed and in most cases, will run better than that on Ubuntu because you're just getting the base install and not all these extra apps/plugins/tools that you may or may not need. And then there's the extra overhead from not having all the un-needed system background modules/daemons/etc running as well.
Not saying all or even most Ubuntu users are idiots, but the fact that it's possibly the number 1 suggested starter distro, you've got a greater number there than anywhere else. But the average user/convert will have to climb mountains to learn to do things and where certain trivial files are located.
So it's upside of being easy, ultimately can also be considered it's downside. Give a kid food all his life, he won't learn to hunt, he'll expect it to be given to him.

You have a valid point in a certain context and all but it's up to the individual to decide for themselves. You make it sound like buntu is an affront because it gives people what they haven't (l)earned which ironically is against everything our civilized world is about; specializations being chosen by each individual based on their wants/skills so that no one has to know everything. So, while you want and have the skill/time to do Arch, Gentoo, and LFS it would be pointless to demand that everyone else follow suit because that's wasting their potential/time of contributing in something they care about or have the knowledge and skill about. Maybe I'm taking your example too far but it almost comes off as though you expect a butcher to be able to completely repair his own car engine and build himself a new one if needed. This is why I can see the point of windows and even OSX existing as they provide a tool for people to use...the part where I disagree with them and resent both is their lack of choices or freedom (whether you want to exert it or not is irrelevant).

I'll probably never have your understanding of Linux(since Slackware still kicks my butt and I've never been able to get Skype work in a 64bit distro among various other problems) but does that mean I'm less welcome/worthy to use it?
     
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I've rebuilt my trucks engines a few times now thumb.gif

But aside that. I'm not suggesting that people know how to build their own kernel from the ground up. Just saying that all systems have minor issues. And it makes life so much easier knowing how to fix such a small issue, than getting worked up over it and begging for help everytime your system clock is off by an hour.

Doesn't take that much time to learn the basics.

- basic command line commands
- basic cli tools
- basic file structure

Hell, you could even print out a cheat sheet and keep it in a notebook next to you at all times. But either way, it's nice to know them.
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I've rebuilt my trucks engines a few times now thumb.gif
But aside that. I'm not suggesting that people know how to build their own kernel from the ground up. Just saying that all systems have minor issues. And it makes life so much easier knowing how to fix such a small issue, than getting worked up over it and begging for help everytime your system clock is off by an hour.
Doesn't take that much time to learn the basics.
- basic command line commands
- basic cli tools
- basic file structure
Hell, you could even print out a cheat sheet and keep it in a notebook next to you at all times. But either way, it's nice to know them.

Alright. That is something I can agree with. I just got the feeling there was something about buntu and users of it (because they use it) as being inferior or stupid. It has a little to do with the distro I agree but more to do with the personal attitude. And about the CLI things it sure does help to know something.
     
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You can still definitely learn in Ubuntu don't get me wrong. But for the most part you just have to go out of your way to do so. But I usually sit in the arch/gentoo/linux irc channels and we get a LOT of people that ask for help on things that are incredibly simple, that it gets old after a while. We still help, but a lot of the time these are things that most people should know.

Ubuntu is easier for new people and converts, and that's great. But for the time being Linux in itself is still more geared towards the tech-savvy (excluding some varients like Android and other more mainstream ones like the original xbox dashboard and ps xmb, etc) so it's good to know at least some of the basics.

And I feel Ubuntu takes that away, but again, it's all personal preference and opinions.
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Ubuntu bites.
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I've had ubuntu since the 9 releases. The last good release imo was 10.04. Moving to linux mint smile.gif
 
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I would say that Ubuntu isn't crap. But it's truly one of those linux distros that you jump into and you say to yourself "wow this is really cool" but 20 minutes later once you mess with the terminal a bit and download some pretty low rent free software you ask yourself "why on earth did I waste 20gb of hard drive space for this". Weeks later unless you like ubuntu C++ IDE's or for some reason your provoked to use some third party software that's only available on Ubuntu, you'll never use that wasted 20gb partition of your HDD again until you remove it to use more space on your Windows partition (which you can actually do things with). It comes down to the usual PC conundrum of what you actually use your PC for.
Linux is great but then again it's not windows.
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I would say that Ubuntu isn't crap. But it's truly one of those linux distros that you jump into and you say to yourself "wow this is really cool" but 20 minutes later once you mess with the terminal a bit and download some pretty low rent free software you ask yourself "why on earth did I waste 20gb of hard drive space for this". Weeks later unless you like ubuntu C++ IDE's or for some reason your provoked to use some third party software that's only available on Ubuntu, you'll never use that wasted 20gb partition of your HDD again until you remove it to use more space on your Windows partition (which you can actually do things with). It comes down to the usual PC conundrum of what you actually use your PC for.
Linux is great but then again it's not windows.
- chmodlabs

And yet this wasn't a Linux vs Windows thread. Lasted longer than usual I guess.
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And yet this wasn't a Linux vs Windows thread. Lasted longer than usual I guess.

How else would you equate the usability of an OS other than comparing it to another OS?
- chmodlabs
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How else would you equate the usability of an OS other than comparing it to another OS?
- chmodlabs

You can compare it with other Linux distributions, this is the Linux section afterall, and there are thousands of distributions. But a straight up Windows fanboy post as that, is what starts flamewars.

Also, the user who posted only wanted the opinions of what Linux people think of Ubuntu. Since the majority of more experienced users tend to not like Ubuntu. While everyone else suggests it without question to anyone wanting to try Linux. It wasn't really a question of usability.


As to the "low rent free software", why pay for what you can get for free?

$140 for outlook? Please, Thunderbird, mutt, and many others do the job just as good for FREE.
$100+ for Office Suite? Please, OpenOffice and LibreOffice offer virtually the same usability for free. The later being the better one now since they've got some new life in the development field.
Edited by Shrak - 3/11/12 at 6:17pm
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