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Poll Results: Is Ubuntu junk?

 
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Once you start trying Arch or Gentoo again, give their KDE's a shot. You'll like it more than KDE on Ubuntu. thumb.gif

I have been through this with you!! I will be giving arch another shot in two weeks... by the looks of it to me it is king of the hill biggrin.gif

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Once you start trying Arch or Gentoo again, give their KDE's a shot. You'll like it more than KDE on Ubuntu. thumb.gif

I'd just like to know why. Is it because Kubuntu's maintainers don't compile/package them right or what? I mean you can get the bleeding edge of everything in Arch and Gentoo so does that make them the best? (Yup...I'm a buntu noob)
     
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I'd just like to know why. Is it because Kubuntu's maintainers don't compile/package them right or what? I mean you can get the bleeding edge of everything in Arch and Gentoo so does that make them the best? (Yup...I'm a buntu noob)

The quality of the implementation depends on a lot of things. Generally, I think there's a lot of unnecessary patching done to the packages that go into Ubuntu. With Arch/Gentoo, you usually get near vanilla packages coupled with the newest libraries and kernel, plus you don't have the overhead of the unnecessary stuff running that is added to Ubuntu by default. So you usually have a smoother experience due to less overall system resources being used, and newer libraries and other applications generally include bug fixes that improve speed and stability. With Ubuntu, packages are patched to work with the older versions of other packages that are frozen for stability reasons.
Edited by Rocket Lawnchair - 3/13/12 at 4:04pm
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post #94 of 294
I don't regret getting ubuntu. I love it. It's better on older hardware and great for if you are using it for simple surfing, word processing and other misc activities.
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get a dock. I haven't used an icon on my desktop in years, and my screen looks soo much better without them.

It was sarcasm though, empty space is wasted space for me devil-smiley-019.gif . I don't get the clutter argument.
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It was sarcasm though, empty space is wasted space for me devil-smiley-019.gif . I don't get the clutter argument.

I don't see a clutter argument. kookoo.gif
post #97 of 294
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Once you start trying Arch or Gentoo again, give their KDE's a shot. You'll like it more than KDE on Ubuntu. thumb.gif

Really? They do the exact same thing. I find that you really need to pay attention to KDE when it comes to builds. Some suck, some don't. While compiling has some advantages, I haven't really noticed anything in terms of stability or speed going to Sabayon/Gentoo.
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The quality of the implementation depends on a lot of things. Generally, I think there's a lot of unnecessary patching done to the packages that go into Ubuntu. With Arch/Gentoo, you usually get near vanilla packages coupled with the newest libraries and kernel, plus you don't have the overhead of the unnecessary stuff running that is added to Ubuntu by default. So you usually have a smoother experience due to less overall system resources being used, and newer libraries and other applications generally include bug fixes that improve speed and stability. With Ubuntu, packages are patched to work with the older versions of other packages that are frozen for stability reasons.

Arch is patched, Gentoo is patched. I think slackware tries not to patch stuff but I knows for a fact Arch and Gentoo are patched. The AUR might not be patched, that is a maintainer decision.
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Its too much of work to make it work as a good desktop replacement to windows, and applications are limited so I will say that it is garbage when it comes to desktop usage.

Well... For almost every paid application you find on Windows (except for games), you can find a pretty good 'free' version by simply making uses of the built-in Ubuntu Software Centre. Installing and uninstalling applications is pretty much clicks away!!!
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Arch and gentoo have minimal patches to make things compatible and work better in the broader context of the distribution ... really it's not a whole lot beyond init scripts and things the maintainers leave out that are requred (libpng-1.5 anyone) ... Ubuntu has a light amount of that, and also plenty of patches to add all the other half baked features they wanted, which also have bugs.

patches can be a good thing
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Arch and gentoo have minimal patches to make things compatible and work better in the broader context of the distribution ... really it's not a whole lot beyond init scripts and things the maintainers leave out that are requred (libpng-1.5 anyone) ... Ubuntu has a light amount of that, and also plenty of patches to add all the other half baked features they wanted, which also have bugs.
patches can be a good thing

Yup! Gentoo patches more than I thought, I was surprised to see all the patches that get applied when you emerge things.
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