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Remember what ever you put on the RAM drive can disappear for ever in a power outage or something due to RAM being volatile memory.
lol, cant wait for 32GB of RAM biggrin.gif

Hey Sean congrats on your new title! You earned it smile.gif ....
Ram Disks are certainly an interesting option, especially if your spec'ing a new X79 build? I don't have much experience with them, but if your trying to maximize performance /$$$ spent, I have my doubts. Especially when it comes to gaming as mentioned in the previous post. or even large Programs like Adobe Master a topic for another day?

Lets use BF3 as a modern example, that requires appx 20GB free disc space , holy cow back in the day I thought 8GB for Crysis+ was monumental :O
So here are my thoughts for comment ...

1)Why not buy a simple 32GB SataII SSD dedicated to loading current game(s) for appx $60 vs appx $280 for a matched set of (4x8) 32GB ram which you would need if you want stable overclocks. I've not had much success getting an 1155 platform stable with anything over 16GB of mixed ram kits while OC'ing.

2)Honestly would you see any real world "noticeable" performance gains with a RamDisc vs even a SataII SSD? Wouldn't it be like the age old argument 40FPS vs 100FPS ... Can you really see the difference? Then there is stability/reliability?

3) What happens to the game files on a RamDisc vs HDD/SSD if you get a BSOD which is all to common still with BF3 or any modern game it seems these days. I have no clue here, but from what I've read it seems far more vulnerable to corrupt files and/or a stable recovery without having to repair or even re-install the entire game? What do you think?
 
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Hey Sean congrats on your new title! You earned it smile.gif ....
Thanks
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Ram Disks are certainly an interesting option, especially if your spec'ing a new X79 build? I don't have much experience with them, but if your trying to maximize performance /$$$ spent, I have my doubts. Especially when it comes to gaming as mentioned in the previous post. or even large Programs like Adobe Master a topic for another day?
You are missing the point of a RAM disk then...it has nothing to do with the $ you spend or gaming.
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Lets use BF3 as a modern example, that requires appx 20GB free disc space , holy cow back in the day I thought 8GB for Crysis+ was monumental :O
So here are my thoughts for comment ...

1)Why not buy a simple 32GB SataII SSD dedicated to loading current game(s) for appx $60 vs appx $280 for a matched set of (4x8) 32GB ram which you would need if you want stable overclocks. I've not had much success getting an 1155 platform stable with anything over 16GB of mixed ram kits while OC'ing.
lol, like I said you are missing the point. I will have 32GB of RAM so I can do what I want with it and having a large RAM disk is great for high I/O applications. I am not saying it is a replacement for a SSD at all. It is not. Do what you feel you want with your RAM, if a small RAM disk or large one could benefit you then good for you if not oh well it doesn't matter.
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2)Honestly would you see any real world "noticeable" performance gains with a RamDisc vs even a SataII SSD? Wouldn't it be like the age old argument 40FPS vs 100FPS ... Can you really see the difference? Then there is stability/reliability?
Load times for everything = super fast and more consistent FPS most of the time.
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3) What happens to the game files on a RamDisc vs HDD/SSD if you get a BSOD which is all to common still with BF3 or any modern game it seems these days. I have no clue here, but from what I've read it seems far more vulnerable to corrupt files and/or a stable recovery without having to repair or even re-install the entire game? What do you think?
The data on the RAM disk will be forever lost unless you have the RAM disk back it self up every x amount of minutes or something like that. Like I said in my previous post RAM is volatile memory.
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OK thanks ...
You are missing the point of a RAM disk then...it has nothing to do with the $ you spend or gaming.

Yep I must be missing the point I guess? ... was looking for a little more info on the "Real World performance", your valued personal experiences?

The data on the RAM disk will be forever lost unless you have the RAM disk back it self up every x amount of minutes or something like that.

Where does it back itself up? Do you have to allocate more ram or disc space for this in addition to the ram disc? So if the game crashes there would be a good chance of corrupting the files and/or lose the game program altogether?

Would you load your favorite game on a ram disc? For the performance gains you suggest above?
 
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OK thanks ...
You are missing the point of a RAM disk then...it has nothing to do with the $ you spend or gaming.

Yep I must be missing the point I guess? ... was looking for a little more info on the "Real World performance", your valued personal experiences?
I use a RAM disk as my editing drive space for photos and video. I get a nice boost in responsiveness in large photo editing projects.

Basically if you have a high bandwidth application you can use a RAM disk to speed it up. Also, programmers use it for compiling lots of code as another example.
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The data on the RAM disk will be forever lost unless you have the RAM disk back it self up every x amount of minutes or something like that.

Where does it back itself up? Do you have to allocate more ram or disc space for this in addition to the ram disc? So if the game crashes there would be a good chance of corrupting the files and/or lose the game program altogether?
You need to set it up to back up the disk as a .img to a HDD automatically or something.

If you r system shuts down or crashes the data will be lost, gone, no more if you do not back up. There will be no corruption because there will be no data to corrupt lol.
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Would you load your favorite game on a ram disc? For the performance gains you suggest above?
Yep.

Right now, make a small 1Gb ramdisk and think of ways to use it...see if you can find a way to utilize it your self.
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Thanks for the guide. Recently bought an SSD (60Gb) and your storage guide was a lot a help, freed up a lot of space, thanks! Also Id like to know how could I benefit from RAMDisk in a CAD program. Ive setup FF cache but Id like to use it for Allplan (its very similar to AutoCAD).
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Thanks for the guide. Recently bought an SSD (60Gb) and your storage guide was a lot a help, freed up a lot of space, thanks! Also Id like to know how could I benefit from RAMDisk in a CAD program. Ive setup FF cache but Id like to use it for Allplan (its very similar to AutoCAD).

umm, if there is a cache folder then put it on teh RAM disk, put any work data on there like the project files and sources.
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umm, if there is a cache folder then put it on teh RAM disk, put any work data on there like the project files and sources.

Thought so too thumb.gif but I dont get this part :
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The data on the RAM disk will be forever lost unless you have the RAM disk back it self up every x amount of minutes or something like that.
Where does it back itself up? Do you have to allocate more ram or disc space for this in addition to the ram disc? So if the game crashes there would be a good chance of corrupting the files and/or lose the game program altogether?
You need to set it up to back up the disk as a .img to a HDD automatically or something.
If you r system shuts down or crashes the data will be lost, gone, no more if you do not back up. There will be no corruption because there will be no data to corrupt lol.

If I shut down the RAMDisk or my PC I lose all data on it? Ive put some files on it and they were there after restart, I kinda got lost there, could you please clarify when do I lose data from RAMdisk.

Thank you! biggrin.gif
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umm, if there is a cache folder then put it on teh RAM disk, put any work data on there like the project files and sources.

Thought so too thumb.gif but I dont get this part :
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Originally Posted by Sean Webster View Post

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The data on the RAM disk will be forever lost unless you have the RAM disk back it self up every x amount of minutes or something like that.
Where does it back itself up? Do you have to allocate more ram or disc space for this in addition to the ram disc? So if the game crashes there would be a good chance of corrupting the files and/or lose the game program altogether?
You need to set it up to back up the disk as a .img to a HDD automatically or something.
If you r system shuts down or crashes the data will be lost, gone, no more if you do not back up. There will be no corruption because there will be no data to corrupt lol.

If I shut down the RAMDisk or my PC I lose all data on it? Ive put some files on it and they were there after restart, I kinda got lost there, could you please clarify when do I lose data from RAMdisk.

Thank you! biggrin.gif

You apparently have your RAM disk save on shut down and load at boot up then.

If there was a power outage after say a 8hr project and the data was not saved off the RAM disk during the time then all data that was created in those 8 hrs would be gone because the RAM disk was not saved.
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Thank you very much! Ive already installed a drawing viewer (portable) on it, working with 300MB files and my jaw is on the ground, need to invest in RAM and a UPS. This is going to save me so much time. Thanks again! biggrin.gifthumb.gif
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Put your browser cache on your RAM disk:
This is how you put the browser cache on the RAMDisk. When you make the folder on the RAMDisk for the cache for each you need to go to that folder's properties and uncheck read only, I was having an issue where these weren't working b/c the cache folder couldn't be written to and that fixed it. thumb.gif
Firefox Cache Tweak:
Information:
You will need to add a single command string into Firefox to make it store temporary internet files and all cache data to the RamDrive.
Instruction:
  1. Open up Firefox. In the address bar type about:config
  2. Click the I’ll be careful I promise button.
  3. Right click anywhere in the values in the lower portion of the screen and choose New -> String.
  4. Type in browser.cache.disk.parent_directory into the “Preference name”
  5. Click OK
  6. Type in R:\FF_Cache in the "string value" [if R: is the RamDisk and you created a folder called FF_Cache].
  7. Click OK.
  8. Restart Firefox.
    That’s it. Now all browser cache from Firefox will go to the RamDrive and save writing over and over to your SSD saving the number of writes.

Is the new cache folder supposed to be empty? There are no files in it when I use firefox. I was wondering if I set it up right. Ive unchecked Read Only.
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