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post #61 of 65
unfortunately the 212 line competes in a market where price is one of the major concerns. if it was competing with NH-D14 / silver arrow / phantek then i'd agree price is of no concern. however the niche that the 212 competes in is in fact very price conscious so the behavior of the retailers must be taken into consideration.

212 competes in the bargain basement market. it competes in that market because coolermaster has carved out that market all for itself for quite a long time now. they don't want the 212 to occupy the market segment that would be occupied by say... the 612, V8, V10 or any other coolers targeted at the higher end segment... this is by design, for the market that it competes in. so, unfortunately, as long as we are talking about the 212 line, price MUST be part of the conversation...
post #62 of 65
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Originally Posted by evulmunk33 View Post

mhhhh how about keeping current retail price out of the equation?
i guess the best would be for reviews to say that, A B and C are all comparable and people should get whichever they can find for a lower price or whichever they personally prefer etc?
or you can keep the price out of the equation altogether...
A cools the best, B is a little worse but has the best mounting system, C cools worse but comparable to A and B but has a nice LED fan...
so then people can choose based on what matters most to them, and how much its worth TO THEM to have whatever A B or C is best at...
i think mentioning the current retail price or special time limited discount in a review is short sighted, its obviously going to change based on demand, and every (r)etailer has a different price...

I can't agree with this or that logic at all. Current retail price is always important, particularly since heatsinks very rarely seem to be sold for MSRP. The current selling price and performance is always going to be present in the mind of a consumer seeking to be informed and making rational purchases. It's only fanboys or people set on certain features who don't keep that in mind. And I say this as someone who is currently running a Hyper 212 Plus (of course, I replaced the stock fan with TY-140s because it was obscenely loud at any speed).

Personally, I'd love to see a Zalman CNPS10X Performa, Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus, Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo, Corsair A70, Enermax ETS-T40B Silence, Gelid Tranquillo Rev.2, and Xigmatek Gaia shootout since they're often found at similar prices and directly compete with one another. It'd be nice to see how they actually stack up to one another in temps and noise so that people could make an informed decision. Right now, all the tests are ridiculously biased though, pitting laughable or completely incomparable heatsinks against one another.
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People have been posting about this because newegg has it for $30 right now, but am I missing something or is this simply not that great of a heatsink/fan?

For instance:

Tom's Hardware saw the 212 EVO easily beating the Enermax T40: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/LGA-2011-i7-3960X-Air-Overclocking,3130-17.html Granted it's an EVO not a 212+ but still, that's a major butt-kicking.

Caveat: they standardized the thermal paste by using the same one for each cooler: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/LGA-2011-i7-3960X-Air-Overclocking,3130-16.html
I thought the paste CM bundled was good. It used to be good. I hear rumors that they switched to something cheaper and worse, though, which is believable since the 212+ stock fan is better than the 212 EVO fan. (Blade Master 120mm vs. XtraFlo 120mm)

This German site saw a 3.6 degree C advantage over the 212+ going to the T40 at their stock-clock test: http://www.technic3d.com/review/kuehler/1295-enermax-ets-t40-cpu-kuehler-im-test/5.htm However, if I am reading that chart right, they didn't max out the fan on the Hyper 212+ but they did max out the T40's fan. Weird. I doubt that going from 1900 to 2000rpm would close the 3.6C gap but it might knock a significant dent in it.

Note that when you standardize the fans on their OC test using a Noctua at a predetermined rpm, the T40 is only 0.7 degrees better than the 212+ which may well be within margin of error. The thermal paste is not standardized, though.

Comparing stock fans, the T40 is a little quieter than the Hyper 212+, even if the latter is at 1900rpm: http://www.technic3d.com/review/kuehler/1295-enermax-ets-t40-cpu-kuehler-im-test/3.htm

My tentative conclusion:

1) Both the T40 and 212+ are okay for now, but may be outdated in the future due to their now having copper heatpipes all near the center part of the die, which is particularly important as die size shrink, because there is only so much a heatspreader can spread.

2) Cooler Master may be skimping on their thermal paste these days, so get your own. I ordered some Prolimatech PK-1 on the strength of http://skinneelabs.com/2011-thermal-paste-review-comparison/ which found PK-1 to be the best paste (the best TIM wasn't a paste at all but I don't want to use Indigo Extreme). I haven't had a chance to actually use it yet, though, due to my summer living arrangements. I may run some tests and comment on it in the future.

3) Therefore, skip both the T40 and Hyper 212+, get a 212 EVO, and use your own thermal paste.

4) If you are on such a tight budget that you can't afford your own thermal paste, a T40 may be worthwhile, but seriously, it only costs like $1-2 to get Arctic MX2 on sale... hardly a budget-buster.
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Also the hyper212+ is 13 bucks + shipping i think at geeks and there's a 10% coupon as well
   
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Also the hyper212+ is 13 bucks + shipping i think at geeks and there's a 10% coupon as well

Micro Center has it for $10 after rebate. Add another $6 if you don't live near one and need it shipped. http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0315397

A $30 Enermax T40 does not offer better price/perf when its chief rival is $10AR.
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