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Originally Posted by MeatPickles View Post

So should I be looking to build my gaming rig with dual 580s or wait for the 6s to come out? Is it worth the power consumption?

If your willing to get 2 580s, i'd just get 2 brand new 7870s. Half the power consumption, better performance through scaling and OC'ing, more vRam, and ~350$(per card) brand new price.
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Originally Posted by Mygaffer View Post

You've "drank the Kool-aid" my friend. The whole "disappointed with 7970 performance" tack that Nvidia took is part of campaign to mitigate any losses from not having a competing product for several months after launch. They lost a lot of ground when the HD5000 series was out and Fermi was no where to be seen, that is why we have had all the "leaks" saying performance was going to be waaay beyond the 7970, that Kepler was "unbeatable", and why they decided to make this the GTX680.
Most likely we are going to see a GTX680 that trades blows with the 7970, beating it by small margins in TWIWMTBP games and performing closer to a 7950 in other games. As far as it being a "$500" gpu, this die is so small that even if they had yield problems they will still be making a lot of money on these cards. Performance and market demand are what drive price here more than the cost of the chips.

There's no need to get personal.

I didn't buy the whole unbeatable story (it even had facebook as source lol) but the fact is that the performance of the 7970 wasn't that overwhelming considering the performance of last gen GTX 580. If the 7970 would have been faster i.a.w. faster than 6990 and GTX 590 it would have been out of reach. They only can battle back with GK104 and that is what they are doing now. And according to leaks from Expreview which are pretty accurate most of the time the two are trading blows with GTX 680 taking a slight lead most of the time.

Fact is that they anticipated the competition's flagship card with GK100 but nVidia failed in making it a decent/finished product. So it does come in handy that now they know 7970 performance, they can counter it with their GK104 mid range part and sell it like it's a high end GTX 680. No Kool-Aid needed for that, thank you.
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Well of course, not the point.
I'm what iffing, what if the stock speed was 1.1-1.2, the conservative clocks may have saved us from extended price gouging from AMD.
Now NV can get a card out the door to at least compete while working on Big K.
Oh back to my point, would NV have sat on GK104 if it could not compete with a 1.1-.1.2 card?
Or went on and released it at $349-$450?
Let's face it, at 256/2gb of memory this card should not demand a $549 premium.

I think you misunderstood me on this one. If you read back a few pages you'd note that I made a similar statement as you're doing now. I simply meant that assigning a higher clock target at an ASIC means that you'll get a lower effective yield, because the clock skew in between the parts will be even greater.

However going by your point and assuming 1.2GHz was a nominal clock -- putting the performance 5-10% above GTX 590 and HD6990. In that case the HD 7970 would have probably cost ~$649- $699 and GK104 would not be able to compete and probably needed to be sold according to Pitcairn's performance, I think the estimate in your post would be a good one (~$359).

If you ask me if I find this pricing okay, of course not. But I already anticipated that this would happen when I saw the price tag of the 7970 and 7950 at their performance levels. I actually hoped for GK104 to be released as a GTX 660 while being 5-10% slower than a 7970 so that a price war would occur, but it didn't. After all, if nVidia did release the real GTX 680 based on GK100 back in December we wouldn't be paying $549 for a "GTX 660" and 7970. So no these cards should not demand this premium.
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http://www.chiphell.com/thread-367824-1-1.html
March 22 NDA lift,the guy posted these pictures in chiphell said.
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Why on earth are the power connectors stacked like that?
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Why on earth are the power connectors stacked like that?

To fit a larger fan and/or heatsink. The fan would otherwise hit the corner of the 6-pin connector.
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I'm still under the impression that the GK110 is 2x GTX680 on 1 PCB (GTX 690) and that the GK112 will be the next single GPU (GTX 780?).
I don't buy dual gpu cards because they are headaches, and the GK112 is rumored at Q4 (So Q1 2013?). So if I spent $500 now, and then the next single GPU card comes out sometime in nov/dec, I won't feel that bad. That's almost a year, and after resell you'd lose maybe $200? Depending on how much faster it is than the GTX 580, it might be worth the $200 loss.

This doesn't make sense...

These codenames describe a GPU die / chip i.e GF110 was the big top GPU while GF114 was a smaller and less performing die of the 500 series etc.

So if you had a Dual-GPU card, it would logically pack two GPU's, in this case 2x GK104 just like GTX 590 had two GF110's on it.

The codename 'GK110' simply doesnt make sense for a dual-GPU card, it describes a single die not the card itself.
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If your willing to get 2 580s, i'd just get 2 brand new 7870s. Half the power consumption, better performance through scaling and OC'ing, more vRam, and ~350$(per card) brand new price.

I found this:
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what can an OC'ed 580 do?
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Just realized something about that card, 2 6 pins. IIRC 6pins can carry a max of 75 watts per.

6 pins are rated at 75W but you can pull much more from them.
 
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I found this:
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what can an OC'ed 580 do?

8421 at 1000mhz Core.

Since it all really can hit that I'll use the average 950Mhz with good OC CPU 7836 score.

A lot to take into consideration would be CPU over clock and type. That 3D Mark 11 score has no link to compare what system it was on or CPU or overclock on CPU. Can't even confirm how it was run. Yet I will concur the new cards are doing great on 3DMark11 scores. Let's take a look at real gaming over synthetic scores now.

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I found this:
what can an OC'ed 580 do?

An OC'd 580 beats that. My best on one gtx480 was 79xx in 3dmark11, so a 7870 beats that.
    
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An OC'd 580 beats that. My best on one gtx480 was 79xx in 3dmark11, so a 7870 beats that.

Not really. I had SLI msi lightning 580s, and with hyperthreading disabled a single card score was around 7600-7700, with HT enabled it was 8500 or so. They were clocked at 950 which is pretty much far higher than any reference design will do.

I'm not saying that the 7870 will or will not beat 580s, I have no idea to be honest. I just know that the 3dmark 11 range for me on 580s in single card mode was 7500-8600 depending on whether HT was turned on.
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