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Lmao ..... that was so funny


 

I must say I giggled the whole time because I knew even before clicking play that this would be brutal... and I must say his dad has more patience than the average person.

    
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Creating an interface is creating a visual language people need to learn. People want to use it, not learn it. They already spent time learning it when you changed it last time. They did this with their Office suite and no one knows how to use 2003 vs 2007 vs 2010.
Keep your good ideas and improve upon them instead of offering such drastic changes.

Exactly!


I was just reading the "In-Depth with the Windows 8 Consumer Preview" over at Anandtech and couldn't help but laugh. The journalist who wrote the part about Metro and the desktop made his best efforts to try to convince people that it wasn't so bad, yet had to be corrected by the readers several times because he missed some things - he did admit some things were not intuitive, I'll give him that.

I like the part where he lists a long list of keyboard shortcuts for people to live with Metro LOLOL. Sure, use Metro on a touchscreen with just your hand. On a desktop use your mouse... wait, no, that is old school, you have to go back to using the keyboard.

I mean, sure, using keyboard shortcuts is easier for some tasks like copy / paste / cut / undo / redo / print / making selected text bold / italic / underlined, especially since you're more or less using both hands at the same time during some of those tasks, like selecting text with the mouse and then using the other hand on the keyboard to make it italic, but more than that ? Microsoft is asking for trouble.

And he didn't mention a thing about how incoherent Windows has become. Now you have a fullscreen, almost single task, basic color and basic design affair called Metro glued to a transparency based interface with very polished icons and buttons. You even have two taskbars now! One on the left vertically for the Metro Apps and the taskbar for the regular apps.

The writer did admit here and there that the interface is still not ready. If you want to adjust some settings you are still thrown into the regular desktop, which ends up making an incoherent experience.

I don't know how someone can think this isn't more than a badly glued together Alpha concept.
Edited by tpi2007 - 3/12/12 at 9:01pm
 
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The fix for this is very simple....

Bring back the start button and right next to it have the metro button...

Easy
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Originally Posted by Warmonger View Post

Windows 8 is much faster then Windows 7. Not in all aspects but most of them (software wise) including multi tasking. I can do anything on my Windows 8 machine that anyone can on their Windows 7, but faster (not number crunching obviously that's hardware specific but in terms of launching X amount of apps, switching windows, etc). thumb.gif
oh what i'm asking is that it's not faster because of the ui changes, but it's some changes not related to the ui ? that the ui has no relations to it being faster, but to some other changes...? that they're just changing the ui to make it look like a mac or something?
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One thing I don't understand about the keyboard shortcut people here --

For the last 20 years or so, the mode of computing has been towards the use of a more intuitive interface - i.e. the use of a mouse, which is like where your finger points for stuff.

Now, along comes an OS that basically requires desktop users, in order to emulate the ease of tablet usage, to undo 20 years of the growth of the mouse mode of interaction? EEeesh.

I get that some of us like to pretend we're still DOS 6.22 users but even those of us who are, do realize that the best use of the keyboard is to supplement mouse interaction - not totally substitute for it!

It's like how I use Excel. Mouse around for stuff, but when it comes to certain repetitive operations, bam, keyboard ninja time.
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I wouldn't mind giving Win 8 a go, despite the lack of a start menu button, but it won't install in VM Player 3. I can't even get it to run in VBox so that's the end of this. If this is any indication of what it'll be like then MS can have their Win ME v. 2 and choke on it. I showed my wife a Metro review and she simply stated that that wasn't going anywhere near her PC.

I understand that MS want reviews and which is why they're forcing it down everyone's neck at the moment. I will also say that Metro could be great for phones and tablets but the limitations can't possibly make it viable for desktop. Multitasking with only four apps is everything but useful as some Office, email and then a browser would quickly take up those four and you would have to close one to open something else. This would make it even worse than Win 3.11 and totally useless.

We will see where MS go with this but those saying it could just be that MS wand feedback, which is why they're forcing us to use Metro could well be right. If not we're in for another nice ME-style disaster. Considering I loved ME so much I stuck with 98SE till XP came out I will have no qualms of sticking with 7 till something better is released. I have a mouse for a reason, I am not in the mood to memorise heaps of shortcuts because MS think that's clever, I have better things to do and I'd rather memorise Linux command lines.
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Ha! I beg to differ. I tried it out for a full week as a RemoteFX VM. DESPISED IT. Not because it's a bad OS. It was all Metro's fault. All of it. No start menu? No go.
And before the "accept change/you're not intuitive/blah blah blah monkey scrotum" I have a Windows Phone with Metro, and I ADORE the UI on my phone. Honestly, I can't stand anything else as a phone now. BUT ON MY 2560 * 1600 30" monitor, I CANNOT effectively use the Metro UI in Win8.
People who will love the OS: Younger teenagers... the same ones who want to upgrade their iPods/iPads every generation.
I want to add one more thing, business will not be adopting Windows 8. I promise you this. There would just be too much down time between getting the OS out there, and users being able to work with it.
No amount of chocolate icing and sprinkles will make ice cream that takes like ***** not taste like *****.

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Is this guy serious??? sad-smiley-002.gif
I dont understand why this whole windows 8 thing has turned into such a big ordeal... All MS has to do is add the start menu and it would be a plus for everyone. Personally I dont really like the whole tile scheme, but thats just me. Start menu is definitely a must for desktop users. I think I would like it much better if the tiles were one the regular desktop itself rather than switching screens to go from one to the other. Either way, I am not going to make a huge deal about it.
Anyway the whole point to a consumer preview is to have the consumer preview the product and MS gets the feedback so they can make corrections like this.

It would be better if they can even consider a classic option so we can revert it back.
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Navigate Windows 8 with only a mouse like many people do. You will fail.
If I wanted to use keyboard short-cuts all the time, I would use CLI.

It kind of actually feels like Im playing an fps game half the time trying to access stuff. Right hand on mouse and left hand on keyboard, I think macro keys are going to be neccessary for this os just to get common features working. MS went ahead and created a rare hybrid of an os, its as if they first wanted to implement gestures to access files quickly, like backgrounder in the ipod, then half way through development they though to themselves oh shoot not everyone has a touch screen. Then they went screw it and continued with developement and here we have a hybrid. Supposedly natural gestures turned into an fps game, where you crouch, jump and strafe your way through metro to open a webbrowser. A simple button that says "click here for classic" would make it so much easier.

Before anyone says " oh you dont like change you is old " well guess what I enjoy change as much as the next guy; heck I was excited for win 7 release and had every windows version before that, including ME. But this is where a line has to be drawn between accepting a change and realizing its something you dont want. Its like if Hersheys goes we are going to modernize and take out the peanut butter from the reeeses pieces and swap it with jelly. And everyone who doesnt like it is instantly labeled "old "ahahha hampers development" "dislike change". Im sure the chocolate community will have the same outcry.
Edited by Onex - 3/12/12 at 9:46pm
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lol, nice. Definitely sticking with 7
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I don't really mind the Metro UI but what I can't stand is the fact that when you go to do something you're greeted with the same old Windows 7 desktop underneath. It just makes no sense and is redundant. If they wanted to do a Metro Windows then there shouldn't be a Windows 7 desktop lurking underneath. I hope the final version of Win8 feels a lot more final than this seemingly pasted together preview...
Edited by Majin SSJ Eric - 3/12/12 at 9:43pm
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That was great. Anyone notice the script running on the other monitor? LMAO
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