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There isn't a snowball chance in Hell of me using Win 8 or anything that resembles it. rolleyes.gif
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Anyone aware that if you move the mouse cursor to the bottom left while on desktop mode, a little box appears with a mini screenshot of the MetroUI which takes you back, and while in Metro mode, move to the top left and a mini-preview of your desktop appears...

Windows Phone 7 did an amazing job of adding a mini-tutorial to it, even XP had a tutorial that showed you the new features. I highly doubt Microsoft will forget to add a tutorial to Windows 8.
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Coming from the POV of a power user that has to help regular users:

a) There are things that, during the ribbonizing of Office, got pushed from a Menu shortcut to the config/options. No more shortcut. DOH!
b) Regular users, who far outnumber power users, remember menu steps to do things. _GTech is right...tons of lost productivity due to MS wanting to "modernize" their interface.
c) Even I didn't know where Microsoft put some things. In Excel, they put some options in places they didn't make sense. It seemed like poor redesign done by people who don't have a grasp of English and meanings of the terms used in the interface.

I see a lot of Microsoft's changes not meant to improve the interface, but done for one of 2 other reasons:

a) to dumb it down and make pictures/symbols more used...rather than having to read and remember
b) in an effort to deploy cost-efficient means of change to their apps

I remember when Bill Gates used to actually come out and give a keynote and give examples of what new features would actually help make it easier to use and why.

So far, I've not seen much of that in the Ballmer era. Him hopping around on stage, sweating, and talking about how cool and smooth their interfaces are. Plus from experience, I can say...their interfaces didn't become more productive.

Why I'm slowly losing any semblance of hope that MS will get better with Ballmer and his management team at the wheel.
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Creating an interface is creating a visual language people need to learn. People want to use it, not learn it. They already spent time learning it when you changed it last time. They did this with their Office suite and no one knows how to use 2003 vs 2007 vs 2010.
Keep your good ideas and improve upon them instead of offering such drastic changes.

tell the morons behind gmail and youtube that.

they change their interface every 6 months
post #35 of 418
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tell the morons behind gmail and youtube that.
they change their interface every 6 months

I used Gmail twice. it was blah.
Youtube has gotten worse and worse. I agree.
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Creating an interface is creating a visual language people need to learn. People want to use it, not learn it. They already spent time learning it when you changed it last time. They did this with their Office suite and no one knows how to use 2003 vs 2007 vs 2010.
Keep your good ideas and improve upon them instead of offering such drastic changes.

The problem is that if you continue to only enhance an GUI... it may never be modern. Continuing to build an a cracking foundation is not always a good idea.

You must force drastic changes else you will one day realize that you are so out-of-date and have been replaced. Ribbon is not that bad. I use Excel extensive writing macros and developing financial report/tools. I personally use a LOT of Excel features and Ribbon allows easier access to everything. Besides, power uses learn the keyboard shortcuts. wink.gif

For example, DirectX9 -> DX10. MS decided to clean the slate and throw out much legacy design and implementation. There were growing pains but the longer term result is better.

same thing that happened to symbian OS, it used to be a geat OS, nokia thought that they can just update it forever, OS got old, people got tired of it. nokia went down to the crapper
Edited by ghostrider85 - 3/12/12 at 8:48am
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With every change there will always be these groups of naysayers who think it's cool to resist it. why? not because the change is huge, but because they think by doing so they can be seen as a group of elitists above the rest. Seriously if you want to be savvy with technology and the absence of a little start button is bothering you, you do not impress me at all if you can't circumvent that. Besides, the OS is designed for everyone, and statistically speaking most people who uses it won't even care if it's gone, so your opinions do not matter one bit.
Stop making all these "bring back the start button" posts; it does not make you cool, you do not belong to an elitist group, you are just portraying yourself as an idiot who is getting defeated by tiny changes.

Oh my another person to play my favourite little game called "lets clarify biggrin.gif"
First off people wont think its "cool to resist, your making us sound like hipsters who think against anything is "cool". And Yes the change is huge, Im wondering if you've ever tried the OS yourself. Having the start menu dissapear is one of the major changes that MS can ever implement. Let me break it down as to why its so major.
Windows 95 - start menu - revolutionized the OS
Windows 98 - startmenu
Windows 2000/ME - startmenu even as crap as that it had it
Windows xp - startmenu
Windows vista - startmenu
Windows 7 - startmenu
Windows 8 - ???
For 16 years they had a startmenu I think thats pretty major, since it provided so much functionality.
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Seriously if you want to be savvy with technology and the absence of a little start button is bothering you, you do not impress me at all if you can't circumvent that.
The startmenu is not the only thing that hampers "tech savvy" people. IF you read other threads youll realize the metro UI also plagues the OS, since it hampers multitasking.
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Besides, the OS is designed for everyone, and statistically speaking most people who uses it won't even care if it's gone,
No the OS is not designed for everyone, it is actually watered down version of an OS, it is designed with tablets in mind and not PCs. MS ,Im safe to say, is trying to target corporations to change into win8 but not only are we "PC Elitist" question the functionality, but Im pretty sure large corps will too; considering most are still using winxp and that will be a drastic change if swaping to win8.
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... so your opinions do not matter one bit.
Stop making all these "bring back the start button" posts; it does not make you cool, you do not belong to an elitist group, you are just portraying yourself as an idiot who is getting defeated by tiny changes
rolleyes.gif
I wonder whose the elitist now? A factless post like this does not make you cool or belong into an elitist group either, you are portraying yourself as someone who does not know what they are talking about.
Thanks for playing lets clarify you may collect your prize on the way out.thumb.gif
Edited by Onex - 3/12/12 at 8:49am
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no start menu. Sorry but i'm staying windows 7.
Windows 8 will be just like vista.. a crappy OS. Most kept XP, then switched to 7. Now people will stay on 7 ans skip 8. I hope so hahaha.
I may use it for my HTPC but no way for my main rig.

It's not a crappy OS at all, it just needs a proper start menu for desktops. Seriously that's its only glaring flaw. It smokes Windows 7 in every other way really.
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Windows always alternates in putting out good OS's. 95 was bad, 98 was good. ME was bad, XP was good. Vista was bad, 7 was good. 8 will be bad, and 9 will be good. Always works like that.

thumb.gifthumb.gif Yep that is how its been. With windows ME taking first place. do anyone remember how fast widows ME came out less than a year it was, lol!!! Linux gave Microsoft a sacred that year, so they came out with this crap (ME), lol
    
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Lies! The ribbon is awesome!
Honestly I would be happy enough to see the start button re-appear, rather than needing to move to the corner. Other than that I'm fine with the metro UI.

Just press the Windows key, MUCH faster.
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