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I was using a friends laptop yesterday, they challenged me to find the control panel and the first place i looked was in the start bit but it was not there. they didn't know how to shut it down so they would log off first then shut down. biggrin.gif

Everything is so long winded to get to.

Oh I did find it but it took me a few minutes.
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It is already happening here at job. 75% are still XP and 25% are Win7 just grew since Jan 2011. We are switching over slowly lol.

Lucky... We're still waiting for our application support group to finish their testing of our Beta.
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Who the hell cares? You tell him press the start key on the keyboard and its that simple.
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Originally Posted by FtL1776 View Post

Who the hell cares? You tell him press the start key on the keyboard and its that simple.

Grab 100 people off the street and tell them to open the start menu on any version of Windows. The people using the keyboard will be in the minority.
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I do field IT work for a very large investment firm with nearly 11,000 branchs across the nation with 2 or more windows XP based machines in each branch. We WILL NOT repeat NOT be upgrading to Win 7. Why? Because XP works just fine for our clients business needs and will continue to do so.

 

So please spare me the Win 7 revolution crap.

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Grab 100 people off the street and tell them to open the start menu on any version of Windows. The people using the keyboard will be in the minority.

How many of the people will know about keyboard shortcuts period? There is no reason for them to be stupid, just tell them and its that simple.
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Originally Posted by 1ceTr0n View Post

I do field IT work for a very large investment firm with nearly 11,000 branchs across the nation with 2 or more windows XP based machines in each branch. We WILL NOT repeat NOT be upgrading to Win 7. Why? Because XP works just fine for our clients business needs and will continue to do so.

So please spare me the Win 7 revolution crap.

This is about windows 8 dude.
While XP is a fantastic operating system it is unfortunaletly no longer supported by microsoft. Eventually newer software will not be compatible with XP.

The world is changing whether we like it or not. Win 7 is the new XP in terms of practicality, I for one will give 8 a miss, just like I and many others avoided Vista
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I've seen people complain about change in the past, but I've never seen people this outraged before. There is a general consensus across the web that this will fail very hard.
Lets take OSX for example, its now over 10 years old. Yet, in essence it hasn't had any huge or drastic changes made, just gradual improvements and updates over the years. Its still a great OS today.
I'd rather Microsoft tried to improve upon Windows 7 rather than trying to re-invent the wheel.

At the very least, they should have slowly transitioned to it for the desktop and forced it on tablets. Then everyone would be happy, as opposed to doing this half baked version that makes no-one happy, due to being thrown back to the desktop or just disliking the idea in general.
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I've seen people complain about change in the past, but I've never seen people this outraged before. There is a general consensus across the web that this will fail very hard.
Lets take OSX for example, its now over 10 years old. Yet, in essence it hasn't had any huge or drastic changes made, just gradual improvements and updates over the years. Its still a great OS today.
I'd rather Microsoft tried to improve upon Windows 7 rather than trying to re-invent the wheel.
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"real users" won't have their productivity reduced due to the OS; "real users" especially won't have trouble using their OS due to the lack of a start button.
go fail more

You'd be surprised at how dumb/ignorant the average "real" user. (Ie. 90% of Microsofts desktop marketshare)
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I've seen people complain about change in the past, but I've never seen people this outraged before. There is a general consensus across the web that this will fail very hard.
Lets take OSX for example, its now over 10 years old. Yet, in essence it hasn't had any huge or drastic changes made, just gradual improvements and updates over the years. Its still a great OS today.
I'd rather Microsoft tried to improve upon Windows 7 rather than trying to re-invent the wheel.
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Same what the other guy said tongue.gif
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Yes, 7 is a great improvement upon Vista. But in that transition it never lost Vista's bulk (which is finally gone in Windows 8). I'm not sure how experienced you are with Windows, but I own every single version ever produced. I've probably spent more time individuality with Vista, 7, and eventually 8 then you've probably spent with any of them (no troll intended).
And Warmonger please do explain what this bulk is on win7, Im curious.

Only one example that is poor according to a lot of people (Who obviously don't have programs that actually use 6GB+ of RAM) but XP uses less than 300MB RAM when booted at start, my cut-down 7 is using ~1GB. Vista used around 1.3GB for me, but on a different machine with equal amounts of RAM. (4GB in my laptop)

For anyone saying "You have 8GB RAM! It doesn't matter for a few hundred MB!" You obviously don't have a semi-professional workload, I'm easily using large amounts of RAM for scratch-pads in Photoshop, etc. Every MB counts, sure, my laptop has a much faster CPU and WAY more RAM than say, a rig from 1984, but that doesn't mean we should let bloat become the norm. If my RAM is used, I want it used for something worthwhile, not for bloat. Maybe it's not as important as it used to be, but that doesn't mean it's not worth getting annoyed about.
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I've seen people complain about change in the past, but I've never seen people this outraged before. There is a general consensus across the web that this will fail very hard.
Lets take OSX for example, its now over 10 years old. Yet, in essence it hasn't had any huge or drastic changes made, just gradual improvements and updates over the years. Its still a great OS today.
I'd rather Microsoft tried to improve upon Windows 7 rather than trying to re-invent the wheel.
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Originally Posted by axipher View Post

Can we please stop attacking each other and remain on-topic.
Has anyone else approached "regular" users that they know with Windows 8 demonstrations like this?
I tried it on my 3 non-tech-savvy room mates last night and took them less then a minute to figure out how to switch between Metro and the Desktop.

My mum had trouble on my Win8 VM.
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I posted this in another thread.
I work on the largest private network in the world as a technical lead for my division and i can tell you now, metro will not fly with our customers as they can barely handle XP yet alone metro.
We are barely upgrading to Windows 7 and they are freaking out because they can't do anything. Win 8 will not fly in a business environment.
Metro would literally bring the enterprise to a complete stoppage.
when we upgraded to XP from 2000 we had over 1000 calls hanging at all times every day for months because people could not figure out what to do.

While I can't claim that massive amount of experience with the matter, just helping a few friends families, some basic tech support work, etc has already shown me just how ignorant and lazy your average user is. Not to mention, while a lot of us enthusiasts are fine to come home after work/school/whatever and learn about new stuff for our computer (Eg. Optimising Windows, new hardware, etc) most users don't want to. They just want their computer to start up, be reasonably fast and load Google/Facebook.
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Precisely many peoples point. To make this point, how long did it take you to learn Vista/Win7 (which ever came first for you?
Love that avatar btw!

It was already close enough to XP to know, getting used to it =/= learning it. This will require relearning Windows.
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Originally Posted by 1ceTr0n View Post

I do field IT work for a very large investment firm with nearly 11,000 branchs across the nation with 2 or more windows XP based machines in each branch. We WILL NOT repeat NOT be upgrading to Win 7. Why? Because XP works just fine for our clients business needs and will continue to do so.

So please spare me the Win 7 revolution crap.

This is why I prefer rolling release models. Get the (fairly small) amount of updates each day, test any applications that they use (For example, there's an update for the networking stack, so test applications that use that) and then if it passes, silently roll out the update to users machines. It means you get security updates, etc, without massive changes.

Although I admit, I am curious as to how you'll deal with security threads in 6-7 years?


What I want to know is what WIndows 8 server will do, will they try to force Metro on that? I can see users getting used to this over a few years if MS keep at it, but administrators would hate it. If they have a normal Windows 7 style GUI for the server edition, I can see quite a few enthusiasts jumping over...Quite like Windows Server 2003 and Server 2008, as they had improvements on XP and Vista respectively.
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How many of the people will know about keyboard shortcuts period? There is no reason for them to be stupid, just tell them and its that simple.

Alright, well you can go out and re-educate the ignorant masses, I'd rather argue with M$ until I'm blue in the face and they just put the damn start menu back.
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Originally Posted by FtL1776 View Post

How many of the people will know about keyboard shortcuts period? There is no reason for them to be stupid, just tell them and its that simple.

Alright, well you can go out and re-educate the ignorant masses, I'd rather argue with M$ until I'm blue in the face and they just put the damn start menu back.

LOL


Well anyways, what people complain about for the sake of complaining. I for one welcome a faster, more efficient, better OS that is going to find itself on nearly ALL computing devices. Can't wait till we get another versatile OS that just outranks the previous in terms of performance! Yay for progress!
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