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I'm with silvrr on this.

sub50, dude, you can come off as quite the snob sometimes.

No offence.
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Originally Posted by silvrr View Post

Why does everyone have to have museum quality or professional prints? Yes they look spectacular but what I have hanging in my home is acceptable for me. Saying someone shouldn't print just because someone has an APS-C sensor is just stupid. You don't know what there situation is. Again its about enjoying your art not what looks good according to the snobs.

How, exactly, is the pinnacle of representing your vision of a photographer (prints), not worth professional quality prints? I mean, you certainly own enough professional quality equipment, why would you choose to display your work in such a crude, bigger-is-better manner? Making poster-sized enlargements from such a small original capture surface (which requires insane enlargement ratios) will only showcase the flaws in your approach, which I have already pointed out previously (hard color gradation, lack of sharpness unless viewed at an unreasonable distance, etc).

I mean... if you don't care how bad the size in question will look at a reasonable indoor viewing distance, then by all means -- print your posters. Making a smaller sized print that shows better detail from a more adequate distance will be much more rewarding to look at. If you all think I'm preaching from my larger format pedestal in the sky, I would challenge you to make a 13x19 and 24x36 print of the same image, and see which one is easier to make look good in your home. Of course, you're free to ignore everything I've suggested, but you might want to take a look in some art galleries and museums to see what sized prints people typically buy (and pay a ton of money for, to boot!) and hang in their homes. And when you find out some information about the camera used, feel free to report back.
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I'm with silvrr on this.
sub50, dude, you can come off as quite the snob sometimes.
No offence.


Irony loves company.

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How, exactly, is the pinnacle of representing your vision of a photographer (prints), not worth professional quality prints? I mean, you certainly own enough professional quality equipment, why would you choose to display your work in such a crude, bigger-is-better manner? Making poster-sized enlargements from such a small original capture surface (which requires insane enlargement ratios) will only showcase the flaws in your approach, which I have already pointed out previously (hard color gradation, lack of sharpness unless viewed at an unreasonable distance, etc).

What is the 1:1 print size of APS-C? Again I have never seen anything that says a print 8 times the size of the sensor is an 8x enlargement. My mind says it doesn't work the same way as film.

Its not what is the best size to print for a given capture size its what size do you want to print it at and if it looks acceptable to you. Not everything is or needs to be museum quality or professional quality. If that was the case everyone would shoot medium format and your coveted film.
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I mean... if you don't care how bad the size in question will look at a reasonable indoor viewing distance, then by all means -- print your posters. Making a smaller sized print that shows better detail from a more adequate distance will be much more rewarding to look at. If you all think I'm preaching from my larger format pedestal in the sky, I would challenge you to make a 13x19 and 24x36 print of the same image, and see which one is easier to make look good in your home. Of course, you're free to ignore everything I've suggested, but you might want to take a look in some art galleries and museums to see what sized prints people typically buy (and pay a ton of money for, to boot!) and hang in their homes. And when you find out some information about the camera used, feel free to report back.

I don't doubt what your saying I just don't think you should say to someone with different needs and preferences than you to simply not print something large because you don't think its appropriate.
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I don't doubt what your saying I just don't think you should say to someone with different needs and preferences than you to simply not print something large because you don't think its appropriate.

Do you think that's an appropriate size? Larger formats would not exist if APS and 35mm fulfilled the needs of people who want large, quality prints. I'll say it a final time, there is no way that such a large print will look good in an indoor space.

And I'm still not sure why you have anything against professional quality prints -- especially from someone who owns the gear listed in your sig. If image quality is that important to you, why would you display the final product at such an unreasonably large size? Larger is NOT always better, and yes -- people looking for big enlargements either step up to a larger format or print lower quality. It's very much akin to someone buying a vintage guitar and only playing it through a 30 dollar pocket amplifier. If you're paying top dollar for the tool, why would you sell the result short?
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Do you think that's an appropriate size? Larger formats would not exist if APS and 35mm fulfilled the needs of people who want large, quality prints. I'll say it a final time, there is no way that such a large print will look good in an indoor space.
And I'm still not sure why you have anything against professional quality prints -- especially from someone who owns the gear listed in your sig. If image quality is that important to you, why would you display the final product at such an unreasonably large size? Larger is NOT always better, and yes -- people looking for big enlargements either step up to a larger format or print lower quality. It's very much akin to someone buying a vintage guitar and only playing it through a 30 dollar pocket amplifier. If you're paying top dollar for the tool, why would you sell the result short?

Your missing my point, its not what I think or you think, whatever size Javier wants is what he should try and assess for himself and you should not so blatantly state that it is unacceptable. I think you can educate him on the disadvantages of printing at that size but to say that he just plain should not without any backup is just wrong.
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