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It's normal for voltage to jump .05v over your settings but your jump is unusually high. You are OC'ing in bios and not with AMD overdrive right? Do you have the most recent bios and the latest version of HWmonitor or CPUz?
Put everything to stock except your cpu multiplier, cpu voltage, and ram timings and voltage. Please be advised that a lot of DDR3 rated to run at .1.5v actually requires 1.65v for AMD systems. You should check your MB manual.

I have done that before I did all this. Started on stock, have my multiplier up to x20 and I think It stop around test 8 or 9 (that's about maybe 10mins).
So do you want me to start at stock again, but have my dram v at 1.65v and leave everything at stock(auto) and have multiplier at x20?

For an update, 4ghz (200 x20) @1.46v in bios, running prime94 and cpu voltage is at 1.56v to 1.58v under load. (passed 1024k) running around 15mins now.

EDIT: and yes this is all being overclock from BIOS.
EDIT: just for more info, heres my settings:
200 x20
CPU NB freq: 2600
HT freq 2000
CPU v: 1.46v
CPU NB v: 1.25v
DRAM v: stock (auto)
NB v: stock (auto)
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It's normal for voltage to jump .05v over your settings but your jump is unusually high.

I'm not sure why either, I'm only running my CPU v at 1.46v and it's been an hour since I have been running prime95 but like I said, I'm getting 1.56 to 1.58~ volts under load of prime. Is their a way I can try to minimize it. I'm afraid that my chip might get fried first before it get cool even though my temp is averaging at 41C and max at 46C.
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What is your motherbaord? Does it have advanced features like mine does for anything along the lines of "load line calibration" or "phase: normal, high, extreme) or "duty control" etc etc...?

Mine's an Asus with a UEFI BIOS and I can control vDroop or add extra voltage under load to increase overclocking stability - if any of these settings are wrong then you can get too much voltage bump under a load...

Also, sometimes the BIOS can report a voltage that is different in the OS - My processor is a 960T (a thuban, same thing as your processor but I got 4 core so I could OC better with no heat wall) and I got to 4.15 GHz on 1.425 V but in windows under load it reports up 1.46 V which is quite a jump but not nearly what you're seeing... I would assume it's something more to do with an advanced BIOS setting, however.

I keep my C1E stepping and everything other than C and C on, not sure if this has anything to do with it but I doubt it.

I have a thread about OCing my 960T - since they're the same architecture, OCing them will be the same - though yours will create more heat and usually need slightly more voltage.. but you might check it out and see if my thread is of any use.


My numbers are:

CPU 4142 MHz @ 1.425 vCore
FSB 259 NB @ 1.15 V
MULTI x 16.0
NB 3106 MHz @ 1.36875 V CPU/NB
RAM 1726 MHz @ 1.55V
HT 2071 MHz
CPU-Z Validation link: http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2149949

Old numbers were:

CPU = 4000MHz @ 1.34375 vCore
MULTI = 16.0x
NB = 3000MHz CPU/NB @ 1.28125 V
RAM = 1666MHz @ 1.55 V
FSB = 250 @ NB = 1.15 V
HT = 2000MHz
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What is your motherbaord? Does it have advanced features like mine does for anything along the lines of "load line calibration" or "phase: normal, high, extreme) or "duty control" etc etc...?

I have a MSI 890FXA=GD65, I don't see LLC on my BIOS. Unfortunately, MSI 890FXA-GD70 board does not have LLC, so im assuming since it's the same series and company, my board don't have one too.
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Mine's an Asus with a UEFI BIOS and I can control vDroop or add extra voltage under load to increase overclocking stability - if any of these settings are wrong then you can get too much voltage bump under a load...

Like I said on some of my previous post that I have CPU "VDD" voltage and CPU voltage. When I crank up CPU Voltage, and right now I have it on 1.46v and my idle voltage is ~1.488v but with prime95 running, im getting over 1.58v under load.

with the same settings, it ran for about 1hr and 10mins, max temp was around 46C, average temp was around 42C, max voltage was about 1.58v, average voltage was 1.54-1.56v. And I got a BSOD. If put more voltage on CPU Voltage, it will be around 1.6v if I added more under load with prime95.
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I keep my C1E stepping and everything other than C and C on, not sure if this has anything to do with it but I doubt it.

C1E - disabled
Cool n Quiet - disabled
Turbo Core - disabled


Can someone explain to me why am I getting over 1.5v or 1.58v under load with prime95?
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Your motherboard is overvolting the processor when it's under load, why? Well why can be a lot of reasons but the basic answer (seeing as though your settings look okay) is that it's how the motherboard was designed, and so that's what it's going to do...

Another possibility is that something is up with the chip, but that's highly unlikely because it should work well or not at all.

The only way to know for sure what the voltage at the vCore is, would be to check with a voltmeter, and I'm not too sure there is any good way to do that - what some program in Windows says doesn't really mean anything as far as what you may actually be getting.

What program are you using to monitor the voltages? I use HWMonitor and CPU-ID to let me know, they're fairly accurate but again, nothing is certain without a voltmeter.

**STOP RUNNING THE CHIP AT ANYTHING OVER 1.5 VOLTS UNTIL YOU FIGURE OUT YOUR PROBLEM - YOU WILL FRY YOUR CPU IF YOU KEEP RUNNING PRIME AT THOSE VOLTAGES, REGARDLESS OF TEMPS!**

It can be hard to get the 6 core chips to or above 4GHz - I bought a 960T instead of a 1090T because it will OC over 4GHz without hitting a heat wall, and games won't use more than 4 cores anyway so all that matter is clock speed.

You can turn off two cores and try to OC it over 4GHz for gaming... or if you're using the PC for video editing, you will be better off leaving all six cores on, and simply overclocking to the best clocks you can get WHILE staying UNDER 1.5 volts (some say 1.55 but I don't particularly agree, pick your poison)

Have you tried just lowering the voltage in the BIOS so it doesn't go so high in Windows, and checking to see if the processor might be stable then? I'm assuming you've tried lower voltages and couldn't boot or run stable, correct? You're going to have to either disable some cores and OC to the moon if it will let you then, or just aim for a lower OC and lower the voltage - some chips just won't run as fast as others no matter how much voltage you run through them.. every CPU is different and not all are "binned" as well as others, so not all will clock as well as others..

You might also consider a different board as I doubt the CPU is at fault - seems like a crappy mobo design as far as current/voltage management is concerned. I hear that the MSI boards have TERRIBLE VRMs which control voltage, current, and frequency to the CPU - They almost always burn out when overclocked, and so I wouldn't doubt that it's causing you some issues with voltage stability. Honestly if you can exchange the board, I would start there.. buy an Asus board for the best overclocking, or maybe one of AsRock's enthusiast boards if you want something cheap but feature rich.

Read up on MSI VRM's if you want to see what I'm talking about.
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What program are you using to monitor the voltages? I use HWMonitor and CPU-ID to let me know, they're fairly accurate but again, nothing is certain without a voltmeter.

I'm using CoreTemp, CPU-z, HWmonitor. Both HWmonitor and CPU-z shows the same voltage I am on idle and under load with prime95. I've noticed that BF3 crashes after sometime, maybe like under playing 30-40 mins. my temp isn't getting over 38C and average voltage is at 1.53v - 1.54v with BF3 running.
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I'm assuming you've tried lower voltages and couldn't boot or run stable, correct?

I've tried lowering voltages.
post #14: "So I got a BSOD after the test7 or test8 around almost 6mins. Increase CPU voltage?
CPU temp was ~40C running prim95 and ~1.54v under load.. isn't that too high? I only have CPU voltage at 1.403v (for some reason it changed to from 1.404v to 1.403v )"


How should I start over again?
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1.54 vCore under load should be "acceptable" for a 1090T especially at those temps...

However, if you're crashing playing BF3 - Something is wrong and it needs to be fixed - if you run an unstable OC, even if it's not freezing or BSOD, it will still accumulate errors on the HD over time and you will be looking at needing to reformat and re-install windows due to a corrupt disc due to bad data being calculated by the system and written to the drives.

Having the voltage at 1.4 in the BIOS will likely read 1.55 or so under load because the system will up the cpu voltage under load, sometimes it can also droop and make the voltage go lower.. it's normal so don't be concerned - just don't let it go over 1.55V (in windows to be on the safe side I guess) and you will be just fine with that chip if it's staying cool - I've heard people run1.6V and be okay but I AM NOT RECOMMENDING THAT.

I am going to say the readings in windows are wrong and the BIOS is right - if you're feeling brave you can give it anything up to 1.45 or so in the BIOS (remember it will boost the voltage under load so I wouldn't go much above that) and if the BIOS is actually correct (always is from my experience) then you will have no problems.

Readings in windows aren't something to be relied on as far as volt readings are concerned. If you really want to OC to the moon and be stable, you're going to need to give it some more voltage it seems - but this is only if you trust that windows is probably incorrect and that the BIOS is correct, especially because your temps are nice and low.. if you were actually exceeding 1.5volts like you're seeing in the OS - it would likely be running right up around or maybe even above 60C which it's not - so 1.4 seems like it's actually correct.

If it were me, I'd bite the bullet and ignore what windows told me.. I'd up the vCore in the bios to 1.425 or 1.430 and try to run prime again - see if she's stable and watch your temps..
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What bios are you on? 18.6 is the latest redface.gif


I just realized I set up one of these motherboard/cpu combo's
Turn the CPU Power Phase to Full instead of auto(either 8 or 4 phase I think)
also turn spread spectrum off.
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If it were me, I'd bite the bullet and ignore what windows told me.. I'd up the vCore in the bios to 1.425 or 1.430 and try to run prime again - see if she's stable and watch your temps..

Alright! So should I leave CPU-NB freq and voltage to stock? and just keep trying to find my CPU's optimized voltage?
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What bios are you on? 18.6 is the latest redface.gif
I just realized I set up one of these motherboard/cpu combo's
Turn the CPU Power Phase to Full instead of auto(either 8 or 4 phase I think)
also turn spread spectrum off.

Yes i have 18.6 on my bios. I'll find this CPU power phase and change to full but what am i going to gain from this? Is this similar to Load Line Calibration (LLC)? And Yes spread spectrum is also disabled smile.gif
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CM STORM TROOPER Logitech G500 Razer Battlefield 3 Edition Scarab Logitech Z623  
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