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I wanted a small little mech at one point myself. I looked into all of those boards as well. I would go wit the choc of the one's above. PBT vs POM is preference. I ended up with a Quick fire rapid simply because it was bigger. aoya the race uses standard keycaps where as the choc has a non standard right shift key, other then that it's a standard design.
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Don't buy a Poker unless you know that's what you really want. I would echo going for the Choc mini or the Leopold TKL
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I wanted a small little mech at one point myself. I looked into all of those boards as well. I would go wit the choc of the one's above. PBT vs POM is preference. I ended up with a Quick fire rapid simply because it was bigger. aoya the race uses standard keycaps where as the choc has a non standard right shift key, other then that it's a standard design.

KBT Race does NOT have a standard layout. It doesn't have a standard ESC key, combines DEL+Insert, has what looks to be a 1.25 END key, and other modifications. Stop saying it's "standard."

KBT Pure has a totally non standard design. The F keys are assigned to numbers -- not standard keycaps. Right shift is shortened.

Choc is the Pure with standardized keycaps. Spacebar still not standardized though.
Edited by aoya - 3/13/12 at 7:44pm
    
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post #14 of 31
Right i'm thinking of the poker. PS F keys assigned to numbers isn't too unheard of. The space bar on the choc was always in a decent debate between if it was or wasn't but still right shift + space bar is far from the "half of them are rendered useless because you have specially printed caps." that you've claimed.
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Right i'm thinking of the poker. PS F keys assigned to numbers isn't too unheard of. The space bar on the choc was always in a decent debate between if it was or wasn't but still right shift + space bar is far from the "half of them are rendered useless because you have specially printed caps." that you've claimed.

Let me explain it to you: if the keycaps are not side printed and your keyboard uses side printed keycaps to use alternate functions, half your keycaps are worthless if you haven't memorized their locations. This isn't even like a situation where blank keycaps are similar, because on a standard layout, the keys are familiar to you for your every day usage.

So basically what you get for buying Race/Poker/Pure, is diminished replaceability and less functionality (if the OP uses F keys to play a game like...I don't know...starcraft. Or MMOs.)
    
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post #16 of 31
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Let me explain it to you: if the keycaps are not side printed and your keyboard uses side printed keycaps to use alternate functions, half your keycaps are worthless if you haven't memorized their locations. This isn't even like a situation where blank keycaps are similar, because on a standard layout, the keys are familiar to you for your every day usage.
So basically what you get for buying Race/Poker/Pure, is diminished replaceability and less functionality (if the OP uses F keys to play a game like...I don't know...starcraft. Or MMOs.)
Friend of my rocks a choc mini with blank keycaps and he can hit every function key fine, It's all about learning. I don't use wasd for gaming, would my scheme throw most people off? Yes, but it's perfectly natural to me. Yes replacing the keycaps off the start would be a bad idea, but you learn where stuff is. plus the choc for the most part just lopped off the insert cluster.
Edited by Eagle1337 - 3/13/12 at 8:03pm
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This is all a headache, and I don't want it to be. I know any mechanical keyboard will be better than my five-year-old rubberdome.

I'm thankful to see posts, because without them I would be some-what sad to see no responses on my subject.


I don't mind if F keys are assigned to numbers with a function key needed.
I also don't mind that I can't change all my keycaps (but it would be nice to know which can't be changed).

At the moment, it seems like Noppo choc vs Leopold... Gosh, I need to really find out which switch I want... First, I will try to test out a black (hoping they have some on display at Frys/Best Buy).
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post #18 of 31
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Friend of my rocks a choc mini with blank keycaps and he can hit every function key fine.

I love your chewbacca defense. I really have nothing left to say to you. We talk about Pure/Race/Poker and you talk about the Choc Mini (which still has non-standard keycaps). OP, you've been given plenty of info, PM me if you need more persuasion either way.
    
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post #19 of 31
I'll just point out that all of the modifiers on the poker are standard size, so all of the keycaps can easily be switched out. Its just a matter of learning the keys, as was stated. It really only takes a couple of days though.
post #20 of 31
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Gotcha, so if I'm going with any KBT tenkeyless keyboard, I will need to get use to the layout compared to my standard setup on my rubberdome.

About the Choc mini, I'm afraid of changing caps and having a height difference from the stock keycaps.

I think it's best to have the closest setup to my rubberdome, the more standard the less paranoid I am of getting use to a keyboard/hitting the wrong keys in clutch time. (I read you said it would take a couple days, but I've been using keyboards like this for over ten years).

As far as switches goes... I still have to try them all, but I'll start by going to Best Buy / Frys to test blacks.
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