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If the GTX680 is priced at $550, it will perform similarly to the HD7970 (With variances, of course).

It is disappointing, though, as this was intended to be their performance mainstream replacement. (I predict GTX680 prices dropping $200 or more by Q4 and a possible re-branding as a GTX760 Ti or GTX770 part with minor adjustments) If they were able to get GK112 off the ground and release it in late Q1 as well it would have been a monster both in terms of performance and likely peak TDP, but we shall have to wait and see.

This dual GK104 solution may be a compelling option, though. If GK104 scales anything like GF104/114 do, we should be in for a treat smile.gif
    
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When was the last time nvidia release a High End card with 2X 6pin? This is not their high end model this is why nvidia is laughing.
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AMD's fault that GK104 will be 549$ lachen.giflachen.giflachen.giflachen.giflachen.giflachen.gif

In a way yes it is AMD that's setting the price here. If Nvidia has a GPU that can perform the same as their competitor's top end, then it's a pretty logical decision to price it similarly, unless NV is after market share.

Or would you argue against me saying that if the 7970 was priced at 400$ the 680 would also go for about 400$ (assuming ofc that the GPUs perform about the same)?

It's pretty obvious that GPU prices this round have much more air in them than last time. 40nm was even more of a mess than 28nm and AMD released the 5870 (similar die size compared to the 7970 = similar manufacturing costs) at 400$. So what we're seeing is bigger profit margins for AMD and Nvidia. Sucks for us but it's true.
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Keep it coming, this is hilarious, I haven't laughed so hard in a while. You guys are right, nvidia definitely has a history of offering *affordable* high end GPUs, the 8800 ultra was case in point! I'm sure AMD forced their hand to charge 800$ for it.

Stuff like the 260 216 core, 470 or the 8800gt have been reasonably priced high end cards.

And the 8800 ultra was so expensive because it had no competition and it was a limited run. It's a whole different situation.
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As such anyone suggesting that their "high end" part isn't out is also good for a hearty laugh.
for the consumer this might be the high end part but it pretty clearly is not high end compared to Nvidias previous flagship chips that have around 200mm^2 larger dies than GK104 does. Effectively high end, from Nvidias standpoint, no.
 
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It is a two way street though, Alatar. Nvidia was the one that had the $550+ card(GTX580) to begin with and kept it near that same price for a very long time. You can't blame AMD for pricing a card ,that is better in almost every way, roughly the same price. If anything, it is Nvidia that is to blame, yet I feel both are at fault to an extent. It sounds like most people are blaming AMD because they have always priced their cards quite a bit lower and now they are not. People see it as gouging when in reality they are simply now in a position to price equal to Nvidia due to market share parity.
Edited by Strat79 - 3/13/12 at 10:03am
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Sadly, it doesn't really seem as though either red team or green have a product this go round that can really compel me to ditch my 580 lightnings. I was hoping for more than a 15% increase at these prices. Seriously contemplating waiting on the real nvidia flagship card later this year (or the 7970 refresh). I don't mind paying high prices for a couple of cards but I want them to blow away my current cards, not just eek ahead....
post #116 of 255
I for one can't wait till 580 prices drop to buy another, trifire under water, here I come.
post #117 of 255
So Nvidia is playing us again and so some tech sites also(March 12th). But the reality is Nvidia is in the consumer hotbox to bring something 28nm to the masses and soon also.Just hope they relax and don't do a gtx480 again!! wink.gif So Nvidia i don't care if it comes June,just do a good job about it please.Oh and AMD if you are listening.What about 3 diffrent tipes of 7990's. a 7990 LE (2x7870's), a 7990 SE(2x 7950), and a 7990 PRO(2x 7970's).....yeh!! tongue.gif
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It is a two way street though, Alatar. Nvidia was the one that had the $550+ card(GTX580) to begin with and kept it near that same price for a very long time. You can't blame AMD for pricing a card ,that is better in almost every way, roughly the same price. If anything, it is Nvidia that is to blame, yet I feel both are at fault to an extent. It sounds like most people are blaming AMD because they have always priced their cards quite a bit lower and now they are not. People see it as gouging when in reality they are simply now in a position to price equal to Nvidia due to market share parity.

The thing is that AMD usually has much smaller dies. This gen they abandoned their sweet spot pricing but kept the sweet spot die size, in other words they just increased the profit margins. And yes I agree that this is in part due to Nvidia not being there on time. But because of this Nvidia can do the same.

The thing about 500$ 580s and 480s is that the die size was always bigger so from the company's standpoint you have to price the card higher, even though the die size probably has 0% meaning to the end user. The GK104 based card has a die size similar to the 460 and the 560. Yet those cards were not priced at 550$.
 
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post #119 of 255
So if the GTX680 is as fast a HD 7970, then that means its 20%+ faster then the GTX580 and uses less power. Nvidia is selling the GTX680 at the same price they released the GTX580. Why is everyone so disappointed?
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The price is in line with almost every launch of the last 10 years rolleyes.gif If you thought it was going to be 10% faster than the 7970 and cost 20% less than it, you need to check your drinking water.
Product placement isn't about manufacturing cost if the demand is there, it's about relative speed and just merely denting competitors prices enough to sway sales yet still make a healthy profit. AMD exists in the pricing war also, they aren't immune.
Edited by pengs - 3/13/12 at 10:36am
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