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3/13/12 at 8:59am
I think we all know right now, Kepler = all the BS from Fermi * 2
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3/13/12 at 9:02am
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the current line up are just too solid to bring prices down...................... until the software catches up there really is absolutely no point upgrading...................
my 460s will keep me thrilled until next year when I want to double up on performance to play the likes of the new unreal engine, for a realistic price point.
Its this upgrade itch that these companies are relying on, that why they can release new technology and charge a premium. No body really needs that power yet.
Id even say a 580 will be a more realistic and smarter buy now that its prices are going to come down. Id say £300 is not a bad price for a 580.

I disagree... I would kill to never drop below 60 FPS ever again. I don't use multi GPU setups, so any performance increases Nvidia and AMD bring regardless of whether there's software out there to support it is welcome by me.

With that said, yeah, this stuff is too expensive right now. It'll be great during 2H 2012, but right now it's not worth breaking out your wallet.
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3/13/12 at 9:05am

Were they bluffing much when they said "disappointed" about 7970?

 

 

beside, I think Nvidia Tegra 3 got blown by Apple A5X.


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3/13/12 at 9:06am
So $50 less than I had predicted which makes sense. If NV was to price it lower than the 7970, they'd be conceding the 7970 was better because it's priced higher. I know that argument doesn't make sense to an informed consumer, but that's exactly how these things work.

When the reviews come out, I'll be willing to be the 7970 pulls ahead comfortably when both cards are OC'ed. Although both of these cards will retail at $549, I think we'll see the end of mark-ups on the 7970 (OC'ed cards will still cost more). Give it about a month and we'll see rebates on both cards to make them available for less than $549.
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3/13/12 at 9:08am
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Marketing PR/lies/deception for preventing you from buying competition products.
It helps when you are late.

This. +1 thumb.gif

And Nvidia are really good with this viral-marketing campaign. Their marketing department is the best. They all should get a raise.

But their engineers... Sigh. That's another story. AMD is beating them at every corner. rolleyes.gif
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3/13/12 at 9:08am
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Were they bluffing much when they said "disappointed" about 7970?

Probably not. 7970 being what it is allows them to price their (manufacturing costs/specs wise) mid range part at 550$.
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3/13/12 at 9:10am
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Sorry, I'm not up to date, but is the 1536 Shaders of course mean CUDA cores and is that correct, I know its supposed to be as fast as 3x 580 which 3x 512 CUDA cores in the 580 is 1536, but I also know the 6970 has 1536 shaders... Don't know if I'm stupid or they are.

What they did was removed hotclocks. So they are weaker but there are more of them to make up for it.
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They neutered this card. Completely disappointing.
For being 3 months late to the game I expected a monster of a card for this much cash.

Or they could have priced it like one if they did not have the raw hp.
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The CUDA count is correct but the performance is not. Due to the removal of hotclocks etc Kepler cores are significantly slower than Fermi cores.
If it had 1536 Fermi cores it would melt in that density.

Not if they ran the cards at a low frequency.
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***?
ATI Radeon decreasing cores & nVidia increasing cores
i mean ATI is providing much performance/core than previous generation cards..but now nVidia is decreasing performance/core in newer generation cards..rolleyes.gif

I cant imagine if they take the efficency of the HD 7 series and returned the raw power of the HD 6 series for the HD 8 series.
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Yeah... I'll be probably doing the same, seeing as I just bought a 580 in September and don't have a whole lot of spare money to go by as of right now, I'll just save up for two of the best single cards of the optimized Kepler series for when they come out. BF3 looks just good enough on medium with effects on high, no AA, but 120 fps biggrin.gif I've grown to be a big frame rate lover since I got my 120Hz screen, but hell, I can't dish out all of my money on my computer hobby.

Also I doubt you will focus on the ground when you are in a fire fight.
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I'm not gonna lie, this is kinda like a swift kick in the junk. I've been ready to upgrade since the second week of February, but I've been waiting (albeit not so patiently) for Ivy Bridge to come out, and Kepler/GCN to release, so I could get the proper comparison and make the best choice for my new powerhouse rig. Ivy Bridge is 5% faster roughly, and supposedly is running hotter than a brazilian super model, and now Kepler is toned down and is on par with a 7970. How lackluster this build is turning :/

Although a bummer, just imagine if gaming wasnt held back by console ports.
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so basically what this means is the GTX 580 is also not moving down in price much.. that is quite disappointing.. sad-smiley-002.gif
WE ARE ALL BEING TROLLED BY AMD AND NVIDIA's PRICE FIXING.
Now I have to wait even longer to upgrade... I can NOT see any point in spending more than $300 (after tax) on a video card upgrade. I have my sights set on a 580 as my next video card upgrade.
I really cant see how they release flag ship cards at these insane price points. I remember back when I bought my 4870 512MB (currently viewing though it to type this) I bought it for about $320 ON RELEASE and it was the BEST Video card on the market period.
Its just sick to me to see consumer flag-ship cards at $600-700.. now for a "workstation" / FIREGL or Autocad "optimized" Card- Yea I get the $1000 price tags in that segment.. but for the average "tech enthusiast" or "PC gamer" I cant see how they justify these prices for video cards.
Dear Nvidia and AMD
Please try to produce more cards and FASTER cards so that we can keep things moving along smoothly I understand currently your milking the hell out of your products (which is fine) but cards like the GTX 580 should be in the $300 price range by now, SERIOUSLY.

AMD isnt price fixing. The 7950 and 7970 is better than a 580 in every way and it costs equal or less.
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even if kepler was 15% faster, AMD still won. nVidia is like 3 months late hahah, and considering their "manufacturing troubles" it looks like it will be 4-5 months after the release of GCN when we finally get to see decent quantities of cards

They could have made a mark 2 version of the GTX580 like they did with the 560ti 448 while they worked on kepler.
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I have a gtx580 in my pc, both of my sons have hd 4870 in their pcs. We all play at 1080. They can play everything out, I can just do it with more eye candy turned on. 4870 is far from junk.

Not junk, but very much outdated.
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How much better than a hd 6950 should this card perform?

It went from roughly 120% down to around 45% as we get closer to its release.
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Honestly the best thing to do is just simply not buy the 680 or 7970
they will be forced to release their new tech and then the prices of the - real midrange - "680 and 7970" will have to drop, meaning 580s will be an absolute steal
But again, the current games dont need anymore power

The point for the most expensive single gpu card is to be the fastest not the best in price to performance.
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Im still getting it IDC lol

The joke is on you.
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the power connector farthest for the PCB looks very awkward. It will look even more awkward with a waterblock. I never thought the looks of a card would have such an impact on my purchase decision but I may skip this one.

Maybe its to make room for all of those extra cores.
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3/13/12 at 9:10am
What a disappointment. 3 months late and they plan to release something similarly priced as the 7970 with the same performance.
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3/13/12 at 9:12am
I guess, once again, NVidia is failing because of their big chip approach.

The big chip that should have crushed the 7970 exist... in their labs.
But you won't see it anytime soon because right now it has yield and/or heat issues because of its size.

It's not that Kepler is a fail. It is NVidias incapacity to jump in the 'smaller is better' bandwagon like AMD did.

They are taking big risk and fail. Twice in a row.

Now all they have in their sleeve is a mid-range GPU they'll try to sell as a top end GPU with high price tags hoping their fanbase will swallow it.

Now let the PR stunts begin.
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3/13/12 at 9:13am
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I guess, once again, NVidia is failing because of their big chip approach.
The big chip that should have crushed the 7970 exist... in their labs.
But you won't see it anytime soon because right now it has yield and/or heat issues because of its size.
It's not that Kepler is a fail. It is NVidias incapacity to jump in the 'smaller is better' bandwagon like AMD did.
They are taking big risk and fail. Twice in a row.
Now all they have in their sleeve is a mid-range GPU they'll try to sell as a top end GPU with high price tags hoping their fanbase will swallow it.
Now let the PR stunts begin.

The chip they're releasing is smaller than the 7970 and is apparently about as good. The pricing etc. sucks for us consumers but you can be sure that Nvidia is overjoyed that they can price a low-cost part at 550$

Basically they don't even need to bring the high end part out.
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