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Well, this is what SMART is telling me.

I got the drive yesterday, put it in my laptop, was underwhelmed with speed so I went to run benchmarks and noticed the bad sector. In addition, while my laptop is only SATAII, i'm only getting about 235MB/sec read and 135MB/sec write according to AS SSD. HDTUNE PRO 5 shows an average read speed of just 175MB/sec. While this is way way faster than my 68mb/sec 500GB scorpion blue, I was hoping i'd see the theoretical max of 375MB/sec.

Did I get a dud of an SSD?

EDIT: forgot to add that I did put the latest 5.0.1 firmware on there from patriot
Edited by ThaSpacePope - 3/13/12 at 9:44am
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Well, this is what SMART is telling me.
I got the drive yesterday, put it in my laptop, was underwhelmed with speed so I went to run benchmarks and noticed the bad sector. In addition, while my laptop is only SATAII, i'm only getting about 235MB/sec read and 135MB/sec write according to AS SSD. HDTUNE PRO 5 shows an average read speed of just 175MB/sec. While this is way way faster than my 68mb/sec 500GB scorpion blue, I was hoping i'd see the theoretical max of 375MB/sec.
Did I get a dud of an SSD?

Pretty sure those speeds are normal for SATA II, I popped a M4 in an "old" dell at work with sata II at that was roughly the speeds it pulled as well, but when hooking it up to SATA III it went to 400-500

Theoretical speeds are just that.... Theoretical. Meaning in a perfect scenario those speeds are possible. There will almost never be a "perfect" scenario.

No idea though on the bad sector issue.
     
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Pretty sure those speeds are normal for SATA II, I popped a M4 in an "old" dell at work with sata II at that was roughly the speeds it pulled as well, but when hooking it up to SATA III it went to 400-500
Theoretical speeds are just that.... Theoretical. Meaning in a perfect scenario those speeds are possible. There will almost never be a "perfect" scenario.
No idea though on the bad sector issue.

Appreciate the response.

I just put the latest intel drivers on the laptop (its an i5-460m with intel chipset) and speeds got even worse!

228.15MB read / 82.05MB write in as ssd 1.6

Those write speeds have gotta be off as this is supposed to be a super fast write speed drive.

My 96GB Kingston V+100 from last summer that I have in my desktop gets these numbers (its a sata II drive):

211MB read
151MB write

While I realize my laptop is unlikely to rival the performance of a desktop in any application, im can't help but think there may be something wrong here
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Appreciate the response.
I just put the latest intel drivers on the laptop (its an i5-460m with intel chipset) and speeds got even worse!
228.15MB read / 82.05MB write in as ssd 1.6
Those write speeds have gotta be off as this is supposed to be a super fast write speed drive.
My 96GB Kingston V+100 from last summer that I have in my desktop gets these numbers (its a sata II drive):
211MB read
151MB write
While I realize my laptop is unlikely to rival the performance of a desktop in any application, im can't help but think there may be something wrong here

You need to understand that a Sata III drive on a SATA II port can only perform as fast as SATA II. That being said you should at least be seeing similar performance to you older Sata II SSD

Sure a Ferrari can do well over 100MPH, but if you can only press the pedal half way to the floor you won't be able go as fast as it's potential.

No matter how fast the drive you can only hit the speed of the bus it is running on.

EG: You could run 10 Crucial M4's in raid 0 in an external enclosure off an E-sata (Sata II) port. Technically the drives can run near 5000MB's but they will still only run at aroudn 200-250 MB/s because of the Sata II connection.
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You need to understand that a Sata III drive on a SATA II port can only perform as fast as SATA II. That being said you should at least be seeing similar performance to you older Sata II SSD
Sure a Ferrari can do well over 100MPH, but if you can only press the pedal half way to the floor you won't be able go as fast as it's potential.

Unfortunately you failed to see my point in my response. This has nothing to do with the limit of sata II versus sata III if write speeds are 82MB/sec. Do you understand now? Just in case you don't, if the limit of sata II is say 230MB/sec (not 3gbit or 375mb) then writes should also be capped on this drive. But it isn't.

I guess later i'll pop this thing into my desktop drive and see what kinda speeds I get there. Curious if its a limit of my laptop's controller, which just seems kind of silly but possible I guess.

Still no one with a comment on bad sectors out of the box?
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Unfortunately you failed to see my point in my response. This has nothing to do with the limit of sata II versus sata III if write speeds are 82MB/sec. Do you understand now? Just in case you don't, if the limit of sata II is say 230MB/sec (not 3gbit or 375mb) then writes should also be capped on this drive. But it isn't.
I guess later i'll pop this thing into my desktop drive and see what kinda speeds I get there. Curious if its a limit of my laptop's controller, which just seems kind of silly but possible I guess.
Still no one with a comment on bad sectors out of the box?

Lose the attitude broseph

I didn't insult you. We just had an instance of miscommunication. I was trying to help you. I though you were stating that it was getting similar speeds to your previous SSD. Not to mention your previous post showed 235MB/sec read and 135MB/sec which is about normal.

At any rate, I would probably RMA the drive, no reason a brand new drive should have a bad sector withing 24 hours. Perhaps it is faulty giving you the low write speeds.

*edit*

And if attitude wasn't you intention with the previous post, then disregard the top of this
     
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What benchmark did you run? You should use ATTO for your drive since it is a SandForce drive.

The max speed you can get is 286MB/s on SATA 3Gb/s.

Laptops have power saving features that gimp SATA though put speeds as well.
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What benchmark did you run? You should use ATTO for your drive since it is a SandForce drive.
The max speed you can get is 286MB/s on SATA 3Gb/s.
Laptops have power saving features that gimp SATA though put speeds as well.

I did notice that when I unplug the laptop the sata speeds do decrease significantly.

The bench I ran was AS SSD along with HD Tune Pro's benchmark read.

3000Mbit/8 = 375MB/sec so I don't know why the max is only 286MB. Got a link to share that I could read up on?

I called Patriot Mem and got through to a tech pretty quickly (within 1 min). He said the new firmware was probably the cause of the bad sector but upon downgrading, I see no difference. So that jury is still out on that.

Do you happen to know if laptop sata controlers are simply slower than their desktop counterparts? I've never looked into it myself.

To the guy complaining about my bad attitude: No attitude at all. Just tired of hackneyed sportscar analogies that mean nothing and don't pertain to the topic.
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What benchmark did you run? You should use ATTO for your drive since it is a SandForce drive.
The max speed you can get is 286MB/s on SATA 3Gb/s.
Laptops have power saving features that gimp SATA though put speeds as well.

I did notice that when I unplug the laptop the sata speeds do decrease significantly.

The bench I ran was AS SSD along with HD Tune Pro's benchmark read.
Yea, don't use that, it is not for SSDs. Use ATTO and AS SSD. Links here: http://www.overclock.net/t/1227609/storage-drivers-utilities-and-firmware-thread
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3000Mbit/8 = 375MB/sec so I don't know why the max is only 286MB. Got a link to share that I could read up on?
http://www.overclock.net/t/1101402/half-ssd-rated-speeds-in-atto#post_14717988
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I called Patriot Mem and got through to a tech pretty quickly (within 1 min). He said the new firmware was probably the cause of the bad sector but upon downgrading, I see no difference. So that jury is still out on that.
Well...SSDs don't have sectors. It is probably a bad block b/c SSDs have blocks and pages that can be read and writen to.
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Do you happen to know if laptop sata controlers are simply slower than their desktop counterparts? I've never looked into it myself.
Yes they are, I stated that before. thumb.gif
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Yea, don't use that, it is not for SSDs. Use ATTO and AS SSD. Links here: http://www.overclock.net/t/1227609/storage-drivers-utilities-and-firmware-thread
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3000Mbit/8 = 375MB/sec so I don't know why the max is only 286MB. Got a link to share that I could read up on?
http://www.overclock.net/t/1101402/half-ssd-rated-speeds-in-atto#post_14717988
Quote:
I called Patriot Mem and got through to a tech pretty quickly (within 1 min). He said the new firmware was probably the cause of the bad sector but upon downgrading, I see no difference. So that jury is still out on that.
Well...SSDs don't have sectors. It is probably a bad block b/c SSDs have blocks and pages that can be read and writen to.
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Do you happen to know if laptop sata controlers are simply slower than their desktop counterparts? I've never looked into it myself.
Yes they are, I stated that before. thumb.gif

Well like I said, i did use AS SSD. But I think you are completely right about it being a controller issue, not the drive itself. Interestingly, my pyro SE scores a 409 in AS SSD which is *only* about 30 points less than what review sites score it at (435 or so), but write speeds are just plain horrible by comparison. As a reference, my 96GB Kingston V+100 gets about a 150.

Thanks by the way for enlightening me to the 8b/10b conversion for SATA. I assumed there was error correction, just didn't know how much. It is all explained on the wiki, if I had simply looked there though wink.gif

Bottom line is that because of the limitations of laptops, a budget SSD is really all that is necessary. If I didn't need the extra space provided by the pyro, i'd gladly swap the v+100 96GB out, but alas, no such luck.

The SMART data reports it as a bad sector so that is what I call it, regardless of whether an SSD has sectors or not. The patriot mem tech said the same.
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