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how does this compare to this?

Graphics should be similar between the 2. The A6 has much slower single-threaded performance than an i5/i7, but it's roughly as fast, maybe a little faster than i5 in multi-threaded. Also consider that people have OC'd the A6's quite a bit, I've seen like 2.5ghz on all 4 cores, up from ~1.6ghz max quad turbo at stock. At those speeds, easily beats an i5. Heat shouldn't be too bad with a mild OC as the A6 is a 35W CPU, vs. Intel's quads which are 45W. As for build, I'd personally take Asus over Acer any day.

Enough blabbing, have some benches:

http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-HD-6720G2.57274.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-540M.41715.0.html

And my fave for head-to-head comparisons (just check boxes next to cards, and hit restrict near the top of the page): http://www.notebookcheck.net/Computer-Games-on-Laptop-Graphic-Cards.13849.0.html

There's also a CPU bench that's easy enough to find.

OT but all you laptop haters are missing out. I literally press Fn-F3 (sleep mode), slam my lid closed, unplug the AC jack and speakers and it's in my bag in all of 5 seconds, and I'm out the door. Some people don't have the time to waste with the nonsense of a desktop. Not that desktops are bad but some people spend a decent amount of time (outside of work) away from home.
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Asus K53TA, A6 integrated Crossfire'd with 6650M ( roughly 20% faster than 6650M alone). I don't think you'll find better for ~$600. http://www.amazon.com/K53TA-A1-15-6-Inch-Versatile-Entertainment-Laptop/dp/B005OCBPX0
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Graphics should be similar between the 2. The A6 has much slower single-threaded performance than an i5/i7, but it's roughly as fast, maybe a little faster than i5 in multi-threaded. Also consider that people have OC'd the A6's quite a bit, I've seen like 2.5ghz on all 4 cores, up from ~1.6ghz max quad turbo at stock. At those speeds, easily beats an i5. Heat shouldn't be too bad with a mild OC as the A6 is a 35W CPU, vs. Intel's quads which are 45W. As for build, I'd personally take Asus over Acer any day.
Enough blabbing, have some benches:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-HD-6720G2.57274.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-540M.41715.0.html
And my fave for head-to-head comparisons (just check boxes next to cards, and hit restrict near the top of the page): http://www.notebookcheck.net/Computer-Games-on-Laptop-Graphic-Cards.13849.0.html
There's also a CPU bench that's easy enough to find.
OT but all you laptop haters are missing out. I literally press Fn-F3 (sleep mode), slam my lid closed, unplug the AC jack and speakers and it's in my bag in all of 5 seconds, and I'm out the door. Some people don't have the time to waste with the nonsense of a desktop. Not that desktops are bad but some people spend a decent amount of time (outside of work) away from home.

Thanks, was really helpful and informative. I guess i'm getting the ASUS K53TA, but I'm wondering if there's a 17' version?
and, yeah jrbroad probably summed up why I chose laptops
post #23 of 44
If you can afford it get this: http://www.xoticpc.com/force-1761-msi-1761-p-3152.html

Sure, it's $250 more, but you get extremely reliable service from XoticPC and a graphics card that is probably 20-30x faster than that intel IGP on the laptop you posted.

If you cannot afford it this is also a great option: http://www.xoticpc.com/asus-k53svdh51-p-3348.html

The second one is also much, much faster than the laptop you posted due to it's dedicated GPU. The 540M is no slouch, it can run most modern games at medium to high settings without lag.
post #24 of 44
^Decent suggestion but I have to point out that any laptop with high-end discrete graphics will have terrible battery life, and any gaming you do on battery will be at best, similar to low-end graphics since they automatically go to 2D clocks on battery. Perhaps this is obvious to some, but I've seen a lot of people raging that their $2,000 gaming laptop literally can't get playable framerates on battery power! Basically it's a waste if you occasionally game on battery power or need >2-3 hours of battery life. And the 2nd laptop you linked is a little slower for gaming than the $610 Asus K53TA I linked.

I'm personally not aware of any Asus 17" laptops with discrete graphics at a reasonable price. There's this HP dv7 with an A6 and 6750M graphics for $754. The graphics are a decent amount faster than the 6650M/6720G2. http://www.amazon.com/HP-Pavilion-dv7-6165us-Entertainment-Notebook/dp/B0055N8HC0/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1331697591&sr=1-1

There are definitely more AMD A6 17" laptops, probably one from Asus (if not, Toshiba is pretty reliable and they have some). But most with discrete graphics are over $700 from what I'm seeing; mainly since 17" laptops have a slight price premium over 15".
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post #25 of 44
If you're going to be using this more of a desktop replacement why not make a LAN-box instead? It'll give you much better performance.
post #26 of 44
Go for 7690m.

Its a very nice card. can handle high settings in most games at 1366x768.
post #27 of 44
Anything with a GT550M is about as low as you wanna go in this case. The i5 is MORE than powerful enough to play whatever you want. They did comparisons to see if the i5 bottlenecked the commonly seen GTX 560M in games and it turns out that the i7 fared slightly worse actually. A more balanced system that features a GPU that can keep up with the CPU it's with and vice-versa is preferable in most laptops. The i5 2430M can handle a GTX 570M without any problems even. biggrin.gif

Things OP should look for in a laptop:

+An i5 @ ~2.4GHz is all you'll need. (Turbo Boost actively clocks up or down depending on the load. It boosts both cores up to ~2.8GHz under load and ~3Ghz for just one core. thumb.gif)
+Roughly ~4GB DDR3 RAM @ 1066/1333 is the best bet. (More is always better too and usually doesn't affect cost all that much.)
+A 500GB 7200RPM HDD is considered standard. (Make sure it says 7200 RPM and not 5400 or 5000 RPM. It affects the performance of your computer by a large margin.)
+The 15.4" and 15.6" screens are the best choices for power and portability. (1600x900 is recommended.)
+The Nvidia GT555M or Radeon 7690M are probably what you want. (The 555M is around the level of a fully fledged 9800GT if I recall correctly. The Radeon GPU is the more powerful of the two, just barely.)
+A standard DVD Super-Multi Drive is all that's needed. (Blu-Ray drives are pointless unless you've got a 1080p screen.)
+The Nvidia Optimus(Dedicated to iGPU switch) feature is always a plus. (Helps massively with battery life.)
+The preferred size of a laptop battery is at least a 6-Cell, which is standard, but shoot for getting one with a 9-Cell. (9-Cell offers a significantly longer battery life than the 6-Cell counterparts)

Optional things:
~The AMD A8 3520M or higher APU can be considered if the i5 choices aren't up to spec. (Offers a good balance between the GPU within and the CPU.)
~The Nvidia GT540M can be a decent substitute if you cannot find a GT550M/555M machine. (It offers considerably lower performance. -9600GT area-)
----~The 6620G that the APU offers a GPU that's a good chunk slower than the GT540M. (Most laptops like this usually offer another GPU though in addition to the iGPU listed. Usually the 6650M which is comparable to the GT540M.)

Hope this helps! biggrin.gif
     
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If $729 is your budget, you can easily get a Lenovo Y470P or Y570. Both will be able to play modern games quite well at 30+ fps. My Y570 blows me away with its performance.
    
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If $729 is your budget, you can easily get a Lenovo Y470P or Y570. Both will be able to play modern games quite well at 30+ fps. My Y570 blows me away with its performance.

i second the Y470p its for 799$ and its a nice laptop go for it


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you need a graphics card to game.doh.gif
This.

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Seriously? How can you overlook the Graphics card? Its not all about the i7/i5 things.


Plus.. laptops arent really made for gaming, you should think about getting a desktop..
   
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