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Poll Results: what will have the best possable performance for a pure folding server?

 
  • 69% (49)
    for a folding server, four 12 core AMD Opterons have the best possable performance
  • 30% (22)
    for a folding server, two 8 core Intel Xeons have the best possable performance
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post #41 of 145
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Point per day per watt per doller......... Thats how we should messure it.
post #42 of 145
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Originally Posted by DuckieHo View Post

If you want extreme.... Look at
Intel Xeon X75xx (Nehalem microarchitecture) are 8-cores that support 8 sockets.
Intel Xeon X88xx (Westmere microarchitecture) are 8/10-cores that support 8 sockets.
Build a sever based on 8x Xeon E7-8870. The CPUs alone will costs $37K... I'm guess a fully equiped server should cost around $100K. That would be 80 cores/160 threads at 2.4GHz.
If you want to overclock... then stop it. You options for multi-socket overclocking are very limited. There are less than a dozen motherboard capable of overclocking a recent Xeons/Opeterons. Get a list of those boards first... EVGA SR-2, SR-X, modified Supermicro server AMD boards....
If you are not willing to spend over $30K, then you are not building the "most over the top folding rig ever seen"...

Leave it to Duckie to through out the ultimate over the top build...drool.gif

But seriously Duckie is right. If you want over the top you need to start looking at enterprise level gear. Like something along these lines...

Dell Enterprise Servers
IBM Enterprise Servers
HP Enterprise Servers

Now if you can get your hands on some of that gear and mount a couple of them in a full rack....devil.gif
post #43 of 145
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CAN you run four 16 core bulldozers in a 4p board? There on the support list for a tyan board. I didnt tink you could, but just checking
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CAN you run four 16 core bulldozers in a 4p board? There on the support list for a tyan board. I didnt tink you could, but just checking

You can yes.

4 12core Magny Cours Opterons would be by far the fastest option of any server you could buy under 5k atm. 4 16 core IL Opterons could potentially match the 12 cores, but they'd cost more and consume more power.

On a Supermicro motherboard using the [H] custom bios you'll also be able to overclock the Opterons. Anybody who voted for the Xeons has no idea what they're talking about.


E5 xeons have no chance.... not even worth the money.


Some info on this: Read from post 130 on
from what I understand 2 e5 2690's would score in the low 20's
Edited by G3RG - 3/15/12 at 6:44pm
 
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When it comes to program that doesn't support multi cores or just a couple, Intel may be better. But for program that can use multi core well such as folding, AMD's brute force design works better.

Unless you got the money to go socket 1567 route. Quad 10 core rig can't be matched by anything AMD has atm.
    
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post #46 of 145
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The 2.1ghz 16core bulldozers have te same tdp as the 12 core 2.4ghz phenomii based opteron. Im going to suggest to my friend he try four 16 cores, the 2.1ghz version cost just $550
post #47 of 145

If you're looking at efficiency at all, 4 of the 6174s (Magny Cours) are better than 4 6274s (InterLagos). The increased power consumption (which gets worse if OC'd) isn't worth the extra PPD. I think it was something like 33% extra consumption (as well as having 33% more cores already), but only 15-20% more PPD (those were the numbers [H] posted when it first came out; the may have been small updates, but I don't believe any game changing improvements).

 

You can find some good prices for the 6174s on eBay too.

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post #48 of 145
TL;dR of the whole thread.
For multi processor folding, AMD > Intel atm. AMD's G34 socket is the best ppd/$.

As zodac said, the differences are now in AMD's field, which are between Magny Cours and Interlagos. Interlagos gives you a slight performance benefit while drawing more power (5% performance vs 15% more power ; estimates to illustrate a point).
If your friend is worried about power, get the Magny Cours. If he doesn't care about power, go IL

a 48-core AMD server is the best machine you can get for ppd/$
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This thread made my eyes bleed...
for the 11 of you who just fanboyishly clicked intel ::doublefacepalm::

and that depends on what wilykat clicked....because a 4p of 1567 10cores at 2.4ghz will be beaten by a 4p of 6172 2.1ghz chips by a significant margin. 350k vs 550k.....

Those without knowledge should not give advice... sigh...
for Data:
cinebench:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1160043/top-30-cinebench-r11-5-cpu-scores

Folding TPF database:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aspl6-RkaxtFdEM4d1JLRzdXQ0dVdDlndzBnRklERFE
There is data in here from 2p 2011, 4p G34 and every other system on the planet....

Unfortunately I do not have my 4p 1567 tpf saved...
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and that depends on what wilykat clicked....because a 4p of 1567 10cores at 2.4ghz will be beaten by a 4p of 6172 2.1ghz chips by a significant margin. 350k vs 550k.....

1567 supports 8 sockets as well but I doubt anyone other than a major corporation is going to buy all 8 CPUs at once. That is about $5,000 per CPU. I heard from source that 1567 could support as many as 32 sockets but information on socket 1567 is somewhat hard to find, Google kept assuming I meant 1156 rolleyes.gif

A fully loaded 8 sockets of 10 core would be 80 physical cores. 32 sockets, if it's true, is 320 cores. It could make 48 core Optron look as slow as a $5 calculator. biggrin.gif

PS I have not voted on the above poll. Going by the limit set by OP, AMD would have my vote. Going with no budget limit, a loaded socket 1567 may outperform any AMD as the most overkill machine.

If I were planning to build a folding only machine, quad 12 cores would have been my choice but I spent too much this year on a new rig. Next year we may have a working quad 16 core AMD without bandwidth issue for under $3 grand. biggrin.gif
    
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