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Look at this guys:
1 week, 1 day ago
I will tell you right away, this card will be slower than the 7970.
It has 21% less transistors. Alright there can be some optimisation but, hell, it's not going to do miracles with 21% less transistors.

I know you are generalizing, however that's a big generalization. The speed of the electromagnetic field / charge does not depend on transister count as you already know, no doubt. It's all about optimization.

Make no mistake the jump to 22nm will prove to provide some large improvements alike for both AMD & Nvidia (if they ever ship the damn cards). We'll be looking at nearly the same improvements from both companies. I finally just got it. I need to just buy the best board(s) now.

If only Intel would get Ivy out lol.
Edited by Ghoxt - 3/15/12 at 5:33am
post #42 of 72
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Look at this guys:
1 week, 1 day ago
I will tell you right away, this card will be slower than the 7970.
It has 21% less transistors. Alright there can be some optimisation but, hell, it's not going to do miracles with 21% less transistors.

lol. It's not a matter of how many transistors you have in there. Your logic is what wins.
If you need 100 transistors for some particular functionality and I manage to pull the same functionality off with 75 (and maybe even faster), I have a better deal.
IF both companies used the same architecture, then the argument of transistor count has a higher chance of being valid. However, with different architectures, it is impossible to judge performance solely based on transistor counts (SB vs BD eg.).

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The 6970 has 13% less transistors than the GTX580 (2.64B vs 3B). I know it`s not a great comparison, but it`s still enough to give you a rough idea what to expect.
I`ve seen early rumour saying: ``10-20% worse but in some titles better``. Of course, the architecture plays a role, it can beat a card with more horse power by being more optimised, but overall you won`t see a miracle. It`s not going to blow away the 7970. I am not a fan boy or what ever, I do not care who have the best card.
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Originally Posted by Just a nickname View Post

Look at this guys:
1 week, 1 day ago
I will tell you right away, this card will be slower than the 7970.
It has 21% less transistors. Alright there can be some optimisation but, hell, it's not going to do miracles with 21% less transistors.

Oh yeah. Sandy Bridge has 995m transistors while an 8150 has 1.2b. Which one's faster again?

I thought the 8150 had 2b rolleyes.gif

And I'm really looking forward to this card, I am already pretty sold on a 6 GB 7970 for Eyefinity, but if Nvidia can provide something even on par with the 7970 for $400 - $450, I might have to jump on 2 of them for my 3 screens, unless they really throw a curve ball at AMD and add 3 screen support to a single card without having to wait for the MDT versions.
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Oh yeah. Sandy Bridge has 995m transistors while an 8150 has 1.2b. Which one's faster again?

995m including the GPU... just to make the comparison even more stark.

However, GPUs are an entirely different beast than CPUs. Relating the transistor count of two CPUs to the transistor count of two GPUs is comparing apples to oranges.
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Using more transistors was expected, they dropped hot clocking so they have had to spend more of the transistor budget on increasing shader count.

And as I've said a GTX 680 has 50% more shader cores then a GTX 580 so if it isn't at least 50% faster then it's a complete fail.
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Using more transistors was expected, they dropped hot clocking so they have had to spend more of the transistor budget on increasing shader count.
And as I've said a GTX 680 has 50% more shader cores then a GTX 580 so if it isn't at least 50% faster then it's a complete fail.

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Using more transistors was expected, they dropped hot clocking so they have had to spend more of the transistor budget on increasing shader count.
And as I've said a GTX 680 has 50% more shader cores then a GTX 580 so if it isn't at least 50% faster then it's a complete fail.

Your knowledge of anything to do with electrical engineering is appalling.

Also, hot clocks were not dropped. That's a confirmation from a legitimate source. The GT640M, a Kepler part, has a core clock of 625MHz, memory clock of 900MHz, and shader clock of 1250MHz.
http://pcper.com/reviews/Mobile/Nvidia-GeForce-GT-640M-Review-Kepler-Arrives-Mobile
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Using more transistors was expected, they dropped hot clocking so they have had to spend more of the transistor budget on increasing shader count.
And as I've said a GTX 680 has 50% more shader cores then a GTX 580 so if it isn't at least 50% faster then it's a complete fail.

The GTX 680 is not competing against the GTX 580, the competition is the 7970, and that's the only bellweather for "forum failure" declarations lol.

Apples to Apples. It's like so many who are comparing the single card 7970 to the GTX 580 (14 month old card and unfortunately the only thing available currently) wink.gif
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Make a new account for that did you ? rolleyes.gif
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Your knowledge of anything to do with electrical engineering is appalling.
Also, hot clocks were not dropped. That's a confirmation from a legitimate source. The GT640M, a Kepler part, has a core clock of 625MHz, memory clock of 900MHz, and shader clock of 1250MHz.
http://pcper.com/reviews/Mobile/Nvidia-GeForce-GT-640M-Review-Kepler-Arrives-Mobile

So it could have double the shader power as well as a much higher core clock, it should destroy a 580 and a 7970 with that much of an upgrade...
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The GTX 680 is not competing against the GTX 580, the competition is the 7970, and that's the only bellweather for "forum failure" declarations lol.
Apples to Apples. It's like so many who are comparing the single card 7970 to the GTX 580 (14 month old card and unfortunately the only thing available currently) wink.gif

It's competeing with the 580 and 7970 rolleyes.gif

Next generation cards ALWAYS get compared and get put up against the previous generation flag-ship...
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