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post #11 of 29
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So will Medium at 1080 with no AA be playable?
post #12 of 29
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Originally Posted by thomasgiles2012 View Post

Both of those cards will be able to run bf3 on ultra. I have run bf3 on ultra on a 27inch 1920x1080 monitor running off a ati 6850 1gb.(I get about 35-42fps with this card on ultra everything) either way you go you will be able to play on high just fine. And you will also be able to play ultra settings really. How do I know because I was at a LAN party last night and a buddy of mine was running it on my monitor with his rig which has a 6990. And he was getting any ware from 60-70fps.


You are talking about desktop GPUs, the mobile Variants are not the same.

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So will Medium at 1080 with no AA be playable?

OP:


I have a Sager NP8130 (based on the Clevo P151HM) with a i7 2670qm, 8gb ddr3, GTX560m and 1080P display. I can run the game in the 40s-50s on a mix of medium-high settings with some of the AA and other features off, and I am Happy. When I want ultra settings I go on my GTX580 based desktop. If I had only the laptop, I would have opted for the 6990m or 580m based Sager NP8170 laptop for better performance. I am sure you will be able to get a lot better performance out of either of those GPUs than the 570m. This notebook cost me $1300 with a 95% NTSC Color Gamut Matte Screen as a $100 upgrade.

So yes, with an upgraded GPU either of those laptops will run the game probably on high with no AA. I also want to say, while there is a graphical difference, the game still looks great.



The 570m is obviously a step up from the 560m, but i'm pretty sure the 6990m is better than the 570m by a significant amount as it only trails the 580m by <10% from what most people/reviews have said for a lot less money (around $300 or so).

If this is a primary laptop, I would look at the 6990 or a gtx580 to give you the most performance you can get, or wait it out until april may with the ivy bridge/nest gen GPUs are made available.

As for your choices, have you looked at sager? They have slimmed the options on most sites (such as xoticpc) in preparation for the next round of GPUs and updated Laptops. They make a stellar laptop, dual cooling fans and heatsinks, allow the laptop to run reasonably cool, and doesnt scream I am a gaming laptop with hideous logos and color schemes and lights galore.


I would suggest looking at Malibal.com before buying an Alienware or MSI base notebook. Malibal is a Clevo Reseller like sager, but still has options for GPUs. The Lotus P150HM and Satori P170HM both have options for a GTX560m, 6970m, 6990m, and GTx 580m. I would confirm they are in stock though, as xotic pc only offers the 560m on everything but the dual gpu laptop they have, where as a month ago you had the 560m, 6990m or 580m as options.

Xotic also sells configurable MSI notebooks.

Gaming laptops are NOT a waste of money. If you buy the right one, they will run reasonably cool, and with the addition of a decent notebook cooler, they run really cool. I am always impressed with my laptops temps running on a cooler master Notepal U2. For the $1300 I spent on my NP8130, I am incredibly happy with the performance.

Hope this helps.

ID

**Edit** Looks like Malibal also has scrapped the 6990m in my recommended laptops. MSI or alienware might be the most readily available options.
Edited by identitycrisis - 3/14/12 at 10:06am
     
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post #13 of 29
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Thanks for you detailed input. My only problem is I can only use Newegg/Dell Preferred account as my credit cards dont have high limits.

If you say that your 560M can run the game on Medium/High mix then I think the 570M should handle most settings on High at 1080 with some tweaking and be at 40+ fps which should be smooth online game play? I read that anything over 30+fps feels smooth? I havent owned a gaming laptop so Im very concerned cause I dont think I can upgrade the videcard down the road? Unless I get a barebone laptop configured by a 3rd party sellers like Sager. Man I wished I could build me a nice rig.......... haha.
post #14 of 29
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So will Medium at 1080 with no AA be playable?

Simple answer = Yes. You can do high with a 570m.

Some features are particularly taxing but don't really improve graphics quality that much. With some minor tweakings and AA off you will get good enough frame rate on the 570m.

But like the poster have said, you want to wait for ivy + 7970m. 28nm is gonna be a big deal for laptops because they are mostly temp/power bound. I have high hopes for overclocking headroom in the new generation of mobile gpus. Its just a couple months away
post #15 of 29
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Thanks for you detailed input. My only problem is I can only use Newegg/Dell Preferred account as my credit cards dont have high limits.
If you say that your 560M can run the game on Medium/High mix then I think the 570M should handle most settings on High at 1080 with some tweaking and be at 40+ fps which should be smooth online game play? I read that anything over 30+fps feels smooth? I havent owned a gaming laptop so Im very concerned cause I dont think I can upgrade the videcard down the road? Unless I get a barebone laptop configured by a 3rd party sellers like Sager. Man I wished I could build me a nice rig.......... haha.

To me 30+ isnt smooth enough. Id say between 40-45+
post #16 of 29
No problem on the info.

I wouldn't say 30fps is smooth, mine hovers in the 40-50s range and its pretty smooth, I wouldn't go much lower than that. Sager, MSI and Alienware do have dedicated gpus that have a slot on the motherboard for most of their models, definitely research that first though. They can be upgraded in most cases, it is significantly more expensive, a new power brick, and heatsink may be needed, as well as a flashed vbios or different motherboard bios to support the card. I like the capability, but probably will not do it until the GPUs are a hell of a lot cheaper. This is only from reading though, I personally have never swapped GPUs.

Malibal still offers the ATI 6970m on one of their laptops, its a step up from the 560m, slightly slower than the 570m I believe. But if you are bound to newegg or dell. then this isn't a viable solution anyways, which is a shame, because they make a great notebook.

If you are prepared to spend $2200 on an Alienware. Newegg has this MSI with a GTX 580m in it. I personally couldn't buy an MSI when I was looking, I had bad luck with their motherboards in the past. But these MSI notebooks seem to be well received on NBR. The 580m comes with a premium over the other MSi laptops, but would still perform better than a single 6990m in an alienware at a similar price point.

I don't think 3gb memory is necessary for a 1080p display, i think the bus would need to be higher than 192 to make good use of it. The memory bus on the model i linked is 256bit so it would probably be a lot better. I could be wrong on that though. Someone more in the know on that subject could chime in. Also don't confuse screen size to needing more memory, if your 24" monitor runs at a resolution higher than 1080p, then you might need more memory.

Resolution has an impact on performance, not screen size. in theory a 15.6" 1080p monitor vs a 50" 1080p monitor should yield similar performance.


I would buy that MSI with the 580m in it over the alienware with the 6990m in it at the same price point. But the MSI with the 570 is cheaper, and should yield good performance. There may even be some overclocking headroom on it. But be careful doing that until you know your machines temps, and how to do it safely.
Edited by identitycrisis - 3/14/12 at 10:43am
     
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post #17 of 29
Higher than 192 or not 3gb vram is downright useless if you r stuck at 1080p

On an other note, mobile gpus seem to have more vram than their desktop counterpart. No idea what is the purpose of that......to push 2+ monitors?thinking.gif
Edited by somerandomnewb - 3/14/12 at 10:48am
post #18 of 29
Thread Starter 
Thank u guys!! I'm settling with MSI GT780DX with 1.5 VRam 570m. Looks like the best deal for price/performance. I do think I should wait for the next gen four/CPU but the price will be too high for me. I play bf3 on the ps3 and its not much fun.

Thank u all for ur helpful replies.
post #19 of 29
any gpu with the mobile version is like having half the power this means take a 7990 m abnd it will be like half of it on desktop ,or 2/3 of a 7970!
post #20 of 29
You could also go with a ASUS G53SX or a G74SX. I have one and am hooked up to a 24" Samsung.g monitor and am running my games at Max ultra or just adjust sharer down a little for BF3. Skyrim star wars eq2 wow and starcraft 2. The 15.6 inch one is what I.got and it cost under 1300.00 which leaves enough to ge a decent SSD. Definitely well worth it IMO.
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