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Ok, what more than I SAW IT WITH MY OWN EYES do you want from me? For the love of GOD.

Don't worry. I built a rig for my mate in 2009/2010 or so with an HD 4890 in it. He had glitches on GTA IV and gpu acceleration would cause the drivers to crash. I started a thread and while there were some really great members who helped me out (problem wasn't solved though), most of the ATI users simply answered with PEBKAC. Now I just advise him to reinstall Windows whenever such a major issue comes up rolleyes.gif

I had two 4890s and an HD 5850 myself and never encountered this, but there are users that have these problems and when they occur it's definately annoying and I can honestly say that it isn't PEBKAC. Had a similar issue with an HD 5770, terrible driver experience.

Btw, I had a mate in college that had an old x1300 Radeon Mobility in it that had the same problem with CCC as you describe. Needs a fresh Windows install, only that will solve it.

That I personally have not encountered those issues with nVidia cards yet does not mean that they are none existent either. Some users just don't accept that it happens and flame the wrong party.
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I wonder if this guy has ever experienced the Nvidia TDR hell that doesn't go away even after formatting windows and rolling back drivers.
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I wonder if this guy has ever experienced the Nvidia TDR hell that doesn't go away even after formatting windows and rolling back drivers.

Lol, I just said I didn't have those issues with nVidia cards. I did get GSODs and BSODs on my 5770 though
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I had problems with NV drivers up until the latest "Skyrim 40% increase" update recently. Every now and again the drivers would crash when I was on the desktop (fortunately, never in games for me) and then restart very randomly. Had it ever since I installed the GTX560Ti. There's no bias here!
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i have no care for laptop gpu performance
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Somehow these always descend into an argument about drivers. Good lord. Tell me any one thing that has not ever had issues with drivers for anyone.
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And some people just don't know how to use computers.
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No offense but most of your friends must be incompetent when it comes to computers. (To be fair, most of my friends in high school had crap rigs with 3-year old low-end graphics and knew nothing about computers - this is the average user). I literally haven't touched my desktop (see sig) since I helped my little bro install the 5770.. almost 2 years later and not a single issue. He's not some sort of genius with computers and usually goes to me with problems - only issues so far have been viruses from his letting his friends use the rig, problem solved there. Those AMD drivers must be sooo terrible. Actually.. I've even installed PhysX drivers on the rig (sometime after we got the 5770 - that is literally all I've done to the desktop), and it works like a champ! Ran a PhysX benchmark and it says PhysX is enabled. So much for the PhysX sell point.
Perhaps the key is to read the release notes for each driver; and realize that after a year, most/all of the improvements will be for last-gen Crossfire and current-gen cards. Installing new drivers monthly just isn't a good idea for the average user.

Not necessarily. I've had an awful experience with Nvidia's "optimus" drivers on my laptop which has the GT 310M + Intel HD graphics, and dealing with nvidia's drivers on that computer has been the biggest headache--so much so that I decided to just disable the nvidia card entirely (didn't need much graphics processing capability anyway). Now, that's absolutely not the case for all their other cards, and it's unfair to make generalizations as such.

There's going to be a spectrum of experiences, just because someone runs into driver problems all the time doesn't mean they're dumb and don't know what they're doing. There could be legit reasons why those problems exist, beyond user error. It's not brand-specific.

However, what does bother me is when people in either camp update to the latest beta graphics and then bash them for being buggy, unstable, causing problems, etc. which seems to happen frequently. It's...beta...
    
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Not necessarily. I've had an awful experience with Nvidia's "optimus" drivers on my laptop which has the GT 310M + Intel HD graphics, and dealing with nvidia's drivers on that computer has been the biggest headache--so much so that I decided to just disable the nvidia card entirely (didn't need much graphics processing capability anyway). Now, that's absolutely not the case for all their other cards, and it's unfair to make generalizations as such.
There's going to be a spectrum of experiences, just because someone runs into driver problems all the time doesn't mean they're dumb and don't know what they're doing. There could be legit reasons why those problems exist, beyond user error. It's not brand-specific.
However, what does bother me is when people in either camp update to the latest beta graphics and then bash them for being buggy, unstable, causing problems, etc. which seems to happen frequently. It's...beta...

Do you still have to reboot entirely to enable Optimus? That was terrible!

I totally avoid Beta drivers specifically for those reasons!
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Do you still have to reboot entirely to enable Optimus? That was terrible!
I totally avoid Beta drivers specifically for those reasons!

I used to have to reboot because the Optimus driver would routinely crash. It would work for some period of time--maybe 30 minutes or something like that--and then crash. Switching between cards wasn't working properly, and it appeared that the discrete card wouldn't down-clock from 3d clocks consistently, so if on battery, it would drain juice like there was no tomorrow.

I attribute it to being one of the first applications of hybrid/switchable graphics. It happens. frown.gif
    
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I used to have to reboot because the Optimus driver would routinely crash. It would work for some period of time--maybe 30 minutes or something like that--and then crash. Switching between cards wasn't working properly, and it appeared that the discrete card wouldn't down-clock from 3d clocks consistently, so if on battery, it would drain juice like there was no tomorrow.
I attribute it to being one of the first applications of hybrid/switchable graphics. It happens. frown.gif

optimus works awesome now though, ime. and with kepler bringing optimus to gtx laptop cards, i dont think amd currently has an equivalent.
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