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Thank you captain obvious. Your ability to deliberately interpretative an already sarcastic comment is inspiring and a great benefit to this forum.

Simply double resolution doesn't improve image quality, though, when the native resolution of the content is the same. While I appreciate your sarcasm attempt, you might try and convey accurate information.
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Simply double resolution doesn't improve image quality, though, when the native resolution of the content is the same. While I appreciate your sarcasm attempt, you might try and convey accurate information.

And why, may I ask, would anyone ever upscale a video and record the upscaled result? Under what circumstance would that ever occur and therefore be assumed to be the method with which resolution was increased?

Right, the answer is never.

Please, stop making a fool of yourself and give up on your failed attempt to troll.
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And why, may I ask, would anyone ever upscale a video and record the upscaled result? Under what circumstance would that ever occur and therefore be assumed to be the method with which resolution was increased?
Right, the answer is never.
Please, stop making a fool of yourself and give up on your failed attempt to troll.

Never? Uh... Console games upscale games(and video) from 720p to 1080p, you know those boxes that have sold a combined 180m units. With that many units sold, your attempts to downplay it are futile. I understand you were just being caustic with your original post, but I only responded because you were wrong about the IQ claims. As for everything else you mentioned in this post, I don't know how that's relevant to what I said.headscratch.gif
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I have a 51TB server full of fully uncompressed BD rips and I can say if you have a high end television that is 55" or larger.. you WILL notice a massive difference in video quality over these 3GB versions. Not to mention DTS-HD, TrueHD, Uncompressed PCM audio does not exist on these, and they really do make a difference if your equipment supports them and you have good speakers. My ears at this point are so use to lossless audio, it makes standard dolby digital seem rather dull.
A 3GB rip will never compare to a full 25-50GB BD rip, anyone who says it does is in denial or needs better equipment (or possibly get their eyes/ears checked).
With that said, it is rather amazing that they do manage to get as good as quality as they do in a mere 3GB, but on high end equipment, the difference in video and audio is rather large still (as expected with the size difference). Tiny images are also terrible comparisons. You need to actually view the scene across a large TV, preferably a scene with snow/rain/fire/car chase or something else that requires a higher than normal bitrate. A close up of a guy's face is not a high bit rate scene, nor is a patch on a jacket.


This. This is all that's needed to be said.

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I have a 51TB server full of fully uncompressed BD rips and I can say if you have a high end television that is 55" or larger.. you WILL notice a massive difference in video quality over these 3GB versions. Not to mention DTS-HD, TrueHD, Uncompressed PCM audio does not exist on these, and they really do make a difference if your equipment supports them and you have good speakers. My ears at this point are so use to lossless audio, it makes standard dolby digital seem rather dull.
A 3GB rip will never compare to a full 25-50GB BD rip, anyone who says it does is in denial or needs better equipment (or possibly get their eyes/ears checked).
With that said, it is rather amazing that they do manage to get as good as quality as they do in a mere 3GB, but on high end equipment, the difference in video and audio is rather large still (as expected with the size difference). Tiny images are also terrible comparisons. You need to actually view the scene across a large TV, preferably a scene with snow/rain/fire/car chase or something else that requires a higher than normal bitrate. A close up of a guy's face is not a high bit rate scene, nor is a patch on a jacket.

I also agree with ^ this

I use a projector and watching anything with banding in motion is just not going to cut it. In fact im looking forward to the 4k film format. With regards to audio True-HD / DTS-HD does sound genuinely better than the already very good DVD-DTS and DD
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Never? Uh... Console games upscale games(and video) from 720p to 1080p, you know those boxes that have sold a combined 180m units. With that many units sold, your attempts to downplay it are futile. I understand you were just being caustic with your original post, but I only responded because you were wrong about the IQ claims. As for everything else you mentioned in this post, I don't know how that's relevant to what I said.headscratch.gif

Since when are console graphics pre-rendered videos? I specifically asked when would anyone ever make a recording of an upscaled version of another recording as a final market product. Perhaps you just can't read?
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source called it BRD instead of BD, looses all creditably
 
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It is not Full 1080P HD if it does not have a vertical resolution of 1080 Pixels and fills a 1080P display without black bars!

For Example! I purchase Spider Man 3 Blu-Ray movie to test the free Blu-ray player I got with my Samsung LED 3DTV and to my surprise it was not full 1080P like the cover said (Did not look at the Aspect Ratio, was in a rush).

Full 1080P HD must have a vertical res of 1080 Pixels and horizontal res 1920+ Pixels and fill the screen pixel per pixel. unfortunately, Aspect Ratio plays a huge row! Did someone say no to 2.40 Aspect ratio?

The movie industry is playing people for fools when they label a product full 1080P HD and it has black bars at the top and bottom.

If full 1080P HD is going to be the standard for a while and customer are going to be charged a premium, then all HD media should be produce to fit the screen pixel per pixel!

Last, it is an insult when a film is release and label full 1080P HD and does not fill the screen, unless you include the lame black bars!
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I would be very much against changing the aspect ratio to fill the screen. Yes, technically you could say that it is not "1080p," but 16:9 is the standard now, so the transfers have to work within that space. I don't see 2.40:1 displays becoming popular; I wouldn't want one because so much content wouldn't work, and 4:3 material would be dwarfed.

However, some people who have constant height setups have wanted an "anamorphic" format where a 2.40:1 feature would use all of the resolution (vertically stretched) and then stretched horizontally by the projector's lens. I guess they didn't put this in the specs because constant height setups are VERY niche.
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This is like when my friend was telling me that widescreen monitors and HDTVs were for fools, that they crop out the image and actually display less in order to fill the screen. headscratch.gif

Different films are filmed in different formats... Almost all film is filmed at resolutions beyond 1920x1080 (16:9, 1.77:1), that just happens to be the size of HD monitors and one of the many aspect ratios used for film. 2.39:1, probably the most common aspect ratio in film these days, is wider than 16:9, as is 1.85:1, another common ratio for film. As a result you get black bars on the top and the bottom so that the sides aren't cut out and you can view the full image as it was filmed. Anamorphic widescreen is a technique used to "fill" the screen but it too either crops or stretches the original image, leaving out parts of or stretching the original image. So, if you were to do a perfect blu-ray rip from a 2.35:1 master you wouldn't get 1920x1080 but some other 2.35:1 aspect ratio, as 1920x1080 wouldn't be a 1:1 rip but a wonky, stretched out rip. This is what they used to do back in the days of widescreen DVDs - stretch (or shrink) the original ratio so it fits on a 4x3 format (DVD).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspect_ratio_(image)
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