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http://www.anandtech.com/show/5672/acer-aspire-timelineu-m3-life-on-the-kepler-verge
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As I mentioned before, we're still under embargo regarding the architectural details of Kepler; in fact the only reason we can share the TimelineU with you ahead of time is because Acer actually broke the embargo and began selling the notebook early, causing the rest of the press (and NVIDIA) to scramble to put together these reviews. That also means the only details we can share are the ones that can be gleaned from the notebook itself, but that's fine, because there's a lot of interesting information to work with as it is.

This includes an actual Kepler review!

NVIDIA GeForce GT 640M 1GB DDR3
(384 CUDA cores, 625/1800MHz core/memory clocks, 128-bit memory bus)

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560M 1.5GB GDDR5
(192 CUDA cores, 775/2500MHz core/memory clocks, 192-bit memory bus)

Memory bottleneck here....

450



EDIT: The clocks and core count may not be accurate:
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That dedicated GPU is the NVIDIA GeForce GT 640M. What's worth noting about the 640M from the spec sheet above: it's sporting four times the number of CUDA cores as its predecessor, the GeForce GT 540M. The chip itself runs at a core clock of "up to 625MHz," while the DDR3 is running at an effective 1.8GHz. Given the limited memory bandwidth, we can probably be expected to be bound by the VRAM long before we're shader bound. Of course, NVIDIA is likely able to fit all that shader power into the 640M due to the chip being based on their upcoming Kepler architecture and thus manufactured on TSMC's 28nm process instead of 40nm. It's entirely possible and even likely given what we know of Kepler behind the scenes that these numbers are incorrect; even GPU-Z doesn't accurately detect the 640M.

Edited by DuckieHo - 3/15/12 at 9:45am
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Wow, memory bottlenecks probably on all of them.
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Any idea what price this will release at? Awesome that they're still squeezing those number pads on there tongue.gif.

EDIT: After a quick search, it was released in Singapore for $1298 SGD, which translates to $1,026.82 USD. So I imagine it'll start at $999? That would be really nice biggrin.gif.
Edited by pez - 3/15/12 at 5:11am
 
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Was actually considering this laptop.. then I saw the resolution. COMMON, IT'S 2012!!! WHY CANT MANUFACTURERS PUT ANYTHING HIGHER THAN 1366X768 ONTO 15+ INCH BODIES?!?!!

It's a shame.. everything else on this looks really nice.

EDIT: Anand makes a great point. Users can go out any buy a replacement 1080p panel for $100. A typical replacement 1366x768 panel goes for ~$60. It wouldn't add that much to the build cost to add a better panel..
Edited by r34p3rex - 3/15/12 at 8:58am
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The 640M is that close to the GTX560M? Wow...no wonder Nvidia crippled the bus width on it...didn't want to cannibalize OEMs with the still lingering models with GTX560ms. But those numbers for cores seem a bit off. 384 for the 640? There's no way Nvidia got that far ahead of themselves. They were putting the 630/635 at just 144. But if they did maybe Kepler is really going to be a beast after all.

Sucks about the screen on the Acer but I think it was wise given the crippled state of the GPU. That Sony Vio Z2 seems to be the champ for screens.
     
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Based on this comparison and knowing the specs of the two cards, couldn't we glean the "horsepower-per-CUDA core" and apply it to the GTX680?

All other things aside (memory, resolution, etc.), based on some quick math it looks like each Kepler core is about 46.1% as powerful as each Fermi core.

Given that we know GTX680 will have 1536 CUDA cores, you could guesstimate that will be equivalent to a Fermi with ~708 CUDA cores. That would be maybe 30-35% faster than GTX580 with some fudging for bandwidth limitations and such.

Obviously this is an extremely rough estimate and hardware can never be boiled down to FPS/core, but this seems like it might be in line with what we've been hearing.

EDIT: Mind you, that would be at the same clocks (hypothetically). GTX680 is supposed to be clocked over 1GHz, which would tip the scale further toward Kepler.

If you were talking about strictly the BF3 bench @ 1366x768 that they ran, the GTX680 would (in theory w/o CPU bottleneck) get 300FPS+

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Originally Posted by kidwolf909 View Post

Based on this comparison and knowing the specs of the two cards, couldn't we glean the "horsepower-per-CUDA core" and apply it to the GTX680?
All other things aside (memory, resolution, etc.), based on some quick math it looks like each Kepler core is about 46.1% as powerful as each Fermi core.
Given that we know GTX680 will have 1536 CUDA cores, you could guesstimate that will be equivalent to a Fermi with ~708 CUDA cores. That would be maybe 30-35% faster than GTX580 with some fudging for bandwidth limitations and such.
Obviously this is an extremely rough estimate and hardware can never be boiled down to FPS/core, but this seems like it might be in line with what we've been hearing.

If true, that means it won't be much more powerful than the HD 7970. At this point, it sounds like nvidia will have power consumption on it's side though.
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The 640M is that close to the GTX560M? Wow...no wonder Nvidia crippled the bus width on it...didn't want to cannibalize OEMs with the still lingering models with GTX560ms. But those numbers for cores seem a bit off. 384 for the 640? There's no way Nvidia got that far ahead of themselves. They were putting the 630/635 at just 144. But if they did maybe Kepler is really going to be a beast after all.
Sucks about the screen on the Acer but I think it was wise given the crippled state of the GPU. That Sony Vio Z2 seems to be the champ for screens.

Kepler cores =/= Fermi cores. Nvidia removed the hotclock from Kepler so each Kepler core is slower than each Fermi core
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