Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Rumors and Unconfirmed Articles › [VC] NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 Final Specification Leaks Out (Again)
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

[VC] NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 Final Specification Leaks Out (Again) - Page 23

post #221 of 251
This mid-end high-end debate will never end, there is no way everyone's going to see things quite the same way so let's quit beating a dead horse!
post #222 of 251
Quote:
Originally Posted by Systemlord View Post

This mid-end high-end debate will never end, there is no way everyone's going to see things quite the same way so let's quit beating a dead horse!
183


Seems like a dead end as there are many ways to view it and no real right or wrong answer because it's all subjective to ones own opinion.

(PS. The pic is a Photoshop of "The Office" movie scene when they beat up a printer. No horses were harmed in the taking of this photograph. All I need is PETA at my front door tongue.gif).
     
  hide details  
Reply
     
  hide details  
Reply
post #223 of 251
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mesmero View Post

From a profiteering stand point wouldn't that be the dumbest thing Nvidia could do?

uhh not really?

The 590 ran out of production long time ago.. barely any shop has it in stock.

The HD 7970 is already performing pretty close to 590 / 6990 and if the GTX 680 turns out to be a few percent faster it might indeed tie the dual-GPU cards in performance, most likely it will OC better too.

The 480 was also on GTX 295 level or even faster, i dont see anything wrong with it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by kweechy View Post

Here's what I don't understand...the clock speed is nearly 30% higher than the 580 and it has 3x more CUDA cores, yet is still only ~30% faster than the 580. Wouldn't the overclock alone account for that?

when will people realize that you CANT compare the amount of CUDA cores / streaming processors between different architectures...
The HD 6970 had 384 (4D) shaders as opposed to the 7970's 2048 (1D) shaders, but is the latter 5 times faster? No.

The GTX 285 had 240 shaders whereas GTX 480 had twice as much, but was it twice as fast? No, not even close.

The new Kepler architecture appears to rely on a much higher count of weaker performing CUDA cores than Fermi that, taken together, appear to perform better in a way, be it raw computing power or maybe simply a more power efficient operation to cut down power consumption, simple as that.
Edited by toX0rz - 3/19/12 at 2:46am
Rebel
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5-2500k 4,6 GHz @ 1,32 V AsRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 PNY GeForce GTX 660 Ti SLI @ 1228 / 3312 MHz 8GB G.Skill Ripjaws DDR3-1600 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
Samsung 1TB + 500GB Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Asus VH22H Xilence XQ 850W with a Scythe Kama Flex 
CaseMouse
Aerocool VS-9 Xmas Edition :P Logitech G500 
  hide details  
Reply
Rebel
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5-2500k 4,6 GHz @ 1,32 V AsRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 PNY GeForce GTX 660 Ti SLI @ 1228 / 3312 MHz 8GB G.Skill Ripjaws DDR3-1600 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
Samsung 1TB + 500GB Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Asus VH22H Xilence XQ 850W with a Scythe Kama Flex 
CaseMouse
Aerocool VS-9 Xmas Edition :P Logitech G500 
  hide details  
Reply
post #224 of 251
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arizonian View Post

183
Seems like a dead end as there are many ways to view it and no real right or wrong answer because it's all subjective to ones own opinion.
(PS. The pic is a Photoshop of "The Office" movie scene when they beat up a printer. No horses were harmed in the taking of this photograph. All I need is PETA at my front door tongue.gif).

To funny, anyhow I would have thought it would have been better for Nvidia to name their first Kepler a mid-range card (670TI) that kicks the teeth out of AMD's high-end 7970 card. Since Nvidia didn't do that makes me wonder how long it will take them to release a monster GPU based on Kepler, if Nvidia was to release a high-end Kepler in a few months they would have named (GK104) it appropriately as a mid-range card. I bet you their second Kepler will be a low to mid - range card. That's just my guess.
post #225 of 251
I hate to admit this. But as far as the specs go, i dont know what to trust anymore. The only thing that seems to be somewhat accurate is the cost. Which undoubtedly is the biggest letdown. I hate this market ball play between amd and nvidia. Consumers are going to be the losers here. Hey just bring the gk110 chips already and smother the 7970. At least it would force amd to drastically drop the prices and improve the high mid end section which most of us aim for. I do know that the yield is supposed to be really poor, but 550$ for that card just does not cut it for me.
post #226 of 251
I hate to admit this. But as far as the specs go, i dont know what to trust anymore. The only thing that seems to be somewhat accurate is the cost. Which undoubtedly is the biggest letdown. I hate this market ball play between amd and nvidia. Consumers are going to be the losers here. Hey just bring the gk110 chips already and smother the 7970. At least it would force amd to drastically drop the prices and improve the high mid end section which most of us aim for. I do know that the yield is supposed to be really poor, but 550$ for that card just does not cut it for me.
post #227 of 251
Quote:
Originally Posted by cL1ppeD View Post

I hate to admit this. But as far as the specs go, i dont know what to trust anymore. The only thing that seems to be somewhat accurate is the cost. Which undoubtedly is the biggest letdown. I hate this market ball play between amd and nvidia. Consumers are going to be the losers here. Hey just bring the gk110 chips already and smother the 7970. At least it would force amd to drastically drop the prices and improve the high mid end section which most of us aim for. I do know that the yield is supposed to be really poor, but 550$ for that card just does not cut it for me.

nice dp (double post people...geesh, get your head outta the gutter)

Speaking on prices, why would Nvidia drop the price of their brand new chip so much that cost soo much as far as R&D goes? Ever wonder why legal drugs are so expensive? Because the extensive testing and design that it took to create the drug was soo expensive it takes many many years to recoup the costs to create it. That's why drug patents are usually 10-20years because it takes the pharmaceutic companies so long to get that cost back. I'm not surprised about the price of new chips. AMD has their chips that are comparable to the 680 at around the same price, if Nvidia can price the 680 at that market price, why wouldn't they? Think of it this way, you have a pack of gum, you want to sell it to your friend, most packs of gum are $0.75, you can sell it to your friend for $0.75 and he'll buy it. It wouldn't make sense for you to sell it for $0.50 because your friend will still buy it for $0.75. Pricing is based off 2 things, what the market values it at and what the consumer will pay for it.

I'm not bashing you but I'm just saying, the 580 was around the same price when it came out, and now probably all new chips will be around that price then eventually fall. There will be a premium to pay for top of the line brand new products.
post #228 of 251
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cakewalk_S View Post

nice dp (double post people...geesh, get your head outta the gutter)
Speaking on prices, why would Nvidia drop the price of their brand new chip so much that cost soo much as far as R&D goes? Ever wonder why legal drugs are so expensive? Because the extensive testing and design that it took to create the drug was soo expensive it takes many many years to recoup the costs to create it. That's why drug patents are usually 10-20years because it takes the pharmaceutic companies so long to get that cost back. I'm not surprised about the price of new chips. AMD has their chips that are comparable to the 680 at around the same price, if Nvidia can price the 680 at that market price, why wouldn't they? Think of it this way, you have a pack of gum, you want to sell it to your friend, most packs of gum are $0.75, you can sell it to your friend for $0.75 and he'll buy it. It wouldn't make sense for you to sell it for $0.50 because your friend will still buy it for $0.75. Pricing is based off 2 things, what the market values it at and what the consumer will pay for it.
I'm not bashing you but I'm just saying, the 580 was around the same price when it came out, and now probably all new chips will be around that price then eventually fall. There will be a premium to pay for top of the line brand new products.

PRECISELY what i said. The prices are where they are BECAUSE amd has set the 7970 at that price point. I'm pretty sure that amd or nvidia have a large deal of profit margin on these chips. Recall all the predictions about how this financial term is going to be the most successful ever? i do understand that money is spent on R&D. But this isnt about that anymore. Its about how much they can rip us off. If at all we do have a scenario where neither company wants to let down their prices, what good does it do to us?

btw, srry about the double post. the network in india just sucks.
post #229 of 251
Quote:
Originally Posted by toX0rz View Post

The HD 6970 had 384 (4D) shaders as opposed to the 7970's 2048 (1D) shaders, but is the latter 5 times faster? No.t.

The 6970 has 1536 shaders..... And in some cases the 7970 is more then twice as fast...
post #230 of 251
Quote:
Originally Posted by cL1ppeD View Post

PRECISELY what i said. The prices are where they are BECAUSE amd has set the 7970 at that price point. I'm pretty sure that amd or nvidia have a large deal of profit margin on these chips. Recall all the predictions about how this financial term is going to be the most successful ever? i do understand that money is spent on R&D. But this isnt about that anymore. Its about how much they can rip us off. If at all we do have a scenario where neither company wants to let down their prices, what good does it do to us?
btw, srry about the double post. the network in india just sucks.

yeah because the 3GB GTX 580 didn't cost ~$600.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Frosty View Post

The 6970 has 1536 shaders..... And in some cases the 7970 is more then twice as fast...
Quote:
384 (4D)

384x4=1536
Kalki
(25 items)
 
Alienware
(18 items)
 
ASUS A53Z
(13 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD FX-8320 @ 4.73GHz Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 Radeon HD 7950 @ 1200/1800 8GB Samsung 30nm DDR3 @ 2000MHz 11-11-11-28-1T 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
128GB Crucial M4 1TB Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 2TB Seagate Barracuda ST 7200 RPM who cares 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
XSPC Raystorm XSPC Razor HD 7970 XSPC EX240 Swiftech MCP50X 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Black Ice GT Stealth 240 2x XSPC Xinruilian 1650rpm 2x Yate Loon Slim 1800rpm Alphacool Light Tower 
OSOSMonitorKeyboard
Windows 7 Gentoo GNU/Linux Dell UltraSharp U2412M CM Storm Trigger MX Brown 
PowerCaseMouse
Corsair AX750 Corsair Carbide 300R Logitech G400 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD OPTERON BULLDOZER 16-CORE 2GHZ (32GHZ TOTAL) ALIENWARE 3+1 PHASE ITX GAMING BOARD 4GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GT 430 32GB GAMING DDR3 800MHZ CL13 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
2TB 5400RPM GAMING HDD GAMING BLU RAY BURNER ONE GAMING CASE FAN UBUNTU W/ UNITY (I AM 1337 H4X0R) 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
HD-READY 24" 1366X768 PENTILE TN PANEL GAMING M... ALIENWARE TACTX UBER 1337 BACKLIT RUBBER MEMBRA... OFF-BRAND 200W GAMING PSU; 65% EFFICIENCY  ALIENWARE GAMING CASE WITH THE COOL GLOWING ALIEN 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
ALIENWARE TACTX GAMING MOUSE ALIENWARE MOUSEPAD IT'S DESIGNED FOR GAMING AND... BEATS AUDIO 1337 ALIENWARE TACTX 8-CHANNEL GAMING HEADSET/M... 
OtherOther
16 CORES!!!! 4GB VRAM!!!! FASTER THAN 3960X + 7... ALIENWARE GAMING CARPET 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD A6-3420M OC 2.2GHz / 3GHz Turbo 1.10625v ASUS A53Z AMD Radeon HD 6520G 6GB DDR3 1333MHz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
320GB WD Scorpio Black yes. really good Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Fedora GNU/Linux 1366x768 LED-backlit TN panel Decent + numpad ~5hr 6-cell li-ion 
Audio
Altec Lansing 
  hide details  
Reply
Kalki
(25 items)
 
Alienware
(18 items)
 
ASUS A53Z
(13 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD FX-8320 @ 4.73GHz Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 Radeon HD 7950 @ 1200/1800 8GB Samsung 30nm DDR3 @ 2000MHz 11-11-11-28-1T 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
128GB Crucial M4 1TB Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 2TB Seagate Barracuda ST 7200 RPM who cares 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
XSPC Raystorm XSPC Razor HD 7970 XSPC EX240 Swiftech MCP50X 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Black Ice GT Stealth 240 2x XSPC Xinruilian 1650rpm 2x Yate Loon Slim 1800rpm Alphacool Light Tower 
OSOSMonitorKeyboard
Windows 7 Gentoo GNU/Linux Dell UltraSharp U2412M CM Storm Trigger MX Brown 
PowerCaseMouse
Corsair AX750 Corsair Carbide 300R Logitech G400 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD OPTERON BULLDOZER 16-CORE 2GHZ (32GHZ TOTAL) ALIENWARE 3+1 PHASE ITX GAMING BOARD 4GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GT 430 32GB GAMING DDR3 800MHZ CL13 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
2TB 5400RPM GAMING HDD GAMING BLU RAY BURNER ONE GAMING CASE FAN UBUNTU W/ UNITY (I AM 1337 H4X0R) 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
HD-READY 24" 1366X768 PENTILE TN PANEL GAMING M... ALIENWARE TACTX UBER 1337 BACKLIT RUBBER MEMBRA... OFF-BRAND 200W GAMING PSU; 65% EFFICIENCY  ALIENWARE GAMING CASE WITH THE COOL GLOWING ALIEN 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
ALIENWARE TACTX GAMING MOUSE ALIENWARE MOUSEPAD IT'S DESIGNED FOR GAMING AND... BEATS AUDIO 1337 ALIENWARE TACTX 8-CHANNEL GAMING HEADSET/M... 
OtherOther
16 CORES!!!! 4GB VRAM!!!! FASTER THAN 3960X + 7... ALIENWARE GAMING CARPET 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD A6-3420M OC 2.2GHz / 3GHz Turbo 1.10625v ASUS A53Z AMD Radeon HD 6520G 6GB DDR3 1333MHz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
320GB WD Scorpio Black yes. really good Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Fedora GNU/Linux 1366x768 LED-backlit TN panel Decent + numpad ~5hr 6-cell li-ion 
Audio
Altec Lansing 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Rumors and Unconfirmed Articles
Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Rumors and Unconfirmed Articles › [VC] NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 Final Specification Leaks Out (Again)