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Hahahah, take a look at the x-axis, they start at .8 "units", which we must infer is a normalized percentage. Basically they are only showing us the end of the graph to make the difference in performance visually seem much larger than it actually is. I love this kind of thing, anyone with a half a brain sees exactly what they are doing.
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I would of thought that 0.8 was the lowest percentage they could go down to when they include the 7950? If they started it at 0.9, ALL the benchmarks for the 7950 would disappear. That would mean they were only comparing the 680 with the 7970 not the 7970 AND 7950
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The x-axis starts with "3Dmark11 Extreme Preset" I think you mean the y-axis or i.a.w. the axis displaying the dependant variable.

Also, this chart is made using the numbers leaked on Expreview or Chiphell everyone should disregard that chart (40% faster than a 7970 lol tongue.gif), probably made by a fan. on the other hand AMD's own marketing group also spinned the Radeon 6970 that way:

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20% faster than a GTX 480 lol tongue.gif
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What happened to the GK110? Wasn't the GK110 suppose to be the GTX 680 while the GK104 suppose to be the GTX 660 or around there? Did they have problems with the GK110 that caused them to use the GK104 for the GTX 680? Will the GK110 eventually come out? If so, what will it be called? GTX 685?
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What happened to the GK110? Wasn't the GK110 suppose to be the GTX 680 while the GK104 suppose to be the GTX 660 or around there? Did they have problems with the GK110 that caused them to use the GK104 for the GTX 680? Will the GK110 eventually come out? If so, what will it be called? GTX 685?

No one knows for certain, but it's believed (I think) that nVidia realised that they're 104 (originally mid-range) could match and in some case beat AMD's high-end, so they shifted 110 (7xx series) to the end of this year/Q1-2 next year for their real powerhouses and to counter AMD's 8xxx series. It's also believed a dual-104 will be released sometime after 680 branded as the 690 to counter AMD's 7990. The rest of the 6x0 series will be released between the 680 (March 22nd, as seen by GPU-Z screens) and the 690 I would dare say. I think we can expect refreshes of the 6x0 series towards the end of this year also.

I'm just going by the general consensus with all this, there are so many different things coming from so many different sources/places that it's too hard to predict anything accurately atm.

Hope I helped, and that I'm also mostly right, haha.
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Sorry to ressurect but I run 2560x1440 and will most likely end up with more monitors...so 680@2gb and 256bit is a clear loser to 7970@3gb and 384bit right?
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Probably, unless you plan to run SLI...
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Sorry to ressurect but I run 2560x1440 and will most likely end up with more monitors...so 680@2gb and 256bit is a clear loser to 7970@3gb and 384bit right?

That is not the speculation at thist point. As most of the benches are synthetic(ex.. "Expected 3DMark Score") and can not be verified I am not sure what will be what. I don't know, has anyone seen any confirmed benches to this point are they still under the no-talkie talkie hush hush clause? As stated before by me though, I hope the benches are correct and the power requirements are correct as well. This will force future cards to lower the power packages and be more efficient. biggrin.gif

Funny graphs put out by NVidia and previously by AMD. The thing is NVidia prob ranted about the graph when AMD put it out and AMD will rant when they see this one. Funny how both sides copy one another with time and different people running the show.
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That is not the speculation at thist point. As most of the benches are synthetic(ex.. "Expected 3DMark Score") and can not be verified I am not sure what will be what. I don't know, has anyone seen any confirmed benches to this point are they still under the no-talkie talkie hush hush clause? As stated before by me though, I hope the benches are correct and the power requirements are correct as well. This will force future cards to lower the power packages and be more efficient. biggrin.gif
Funny graphs put out by NVidia and previously by AMD. The thing is NVidia prob ranted about the graph when AMD put it out and AMD will rant when they see this one. Funny how both sides copy one another with time and different people running the show.

I don't pay attention to anything pre-release, just was hoping had seen some insider information or something. To be honest what we've seen makes no sense, so either the 6xx series will be a botched attempt at competition or NVIDIA is doing a very good job releasing a whirlwind of crappy information to keep us on our toes and they actually have a good product waiting.

I've seen all different stock clocks, there was the ironman guy who had a retail 680 thats stats matched nothing (although he had it in an i3 system with 1600x900 res...doesn't sound reliable tbh...a480 would be bottlenecked tin there)

NDA is lifted Thursday if I remember correctly, hopefully good news then...if the release gets pushed back though I'll just buy 7970s, AMD has been doing well lately and this generation is not actually needed by anyone.. the GTX460(sold my 6870s too early it seems lol) I picked up on CL for 120 gets 60fps in Skyrim on high...2 generations ago midrange card. Hell I might even buy last gen
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I don't pay attention to anything pre-release, just was hoping had seen some insider information or something. To be honest what we've seen makes no sense, so either the 6xx series will be a botched attempt at competition or NVIDIA is doing a very good job releasing a whirlwind of crappy information to keep us on our toes and they actually have a good product waiting.
I've seen all different stock clocks, there was the ironman guy who had a retail 680 thats stats matched nothing (although he had it in an i3 system with 1600x900 res...doesn't sound reliable tbh...a480 would be bottlenecked tin there)
NDA is lifted Thursday if I remember correctly, hopefully good news then...if the release gets pushed back though I'll just buy 7970s, AMD has been doing well lately and this generation is not actually needed by anyone.. the GTX460(sold my 6870s too early it seems lol) I picked up on CL for 120 gets 60fps in Skyrim on high...2 generations ago midrange card. Hell I might even buy last gen

Me either but some rely and quote the speculation no matter how unreliable.
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With a ~40% SMALLER die, and 256 bit bus....
GTX580 = 520mm2
GTX680 = 320mm2 ( if rumors are true )

This just makes my point even more valid though!

Why is a card with 3x the cores (I know they aren't apples to apples), 30% faster clock speed, and a 40% smaller die size, AND a 256bit bus, ONLY delivering performance 30% better?

Think about it this way: if you clocked it down 30% to be the same as the 580, the two cards would perform the same. Yet the 680 has a way bigger bus, way smaller die and way more CUDA cores. It kind of seems pretty terrible when you look at it that way.

I mean a 30% performance gain is nice and all, but considering this thing is clocked 30% higher...they REALLY had to work hard to make it actually perform 30% better than a 580. That's really not terribly encouraging.
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