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Benchmarks of kepler beating 7900 appear, what do people do? - Bash Nvidia

Have you seen the BF3 benchmark where they slapped a brown square with Battlefield 3 1920x1080 over the HD7970 fps bar......
    
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I'm gonna pick one up as a single monitor gamer at 1920x1200, 2gig vram is plenty for my needs and it will be a nice improvement from my 570 SC and I can sell the 570 and nearly pay half the cost of a 680, so its a win, win for me.  Not being a high end gamer has its benefits, mostly in the pocket book. 
 
I feel kinda sorry for you tri monitor/GPU setup peeps, you never seem happy about anything but hey, I guess your pocket book is thicker then mine, so have fun waiting.

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We're going to see actual performance in a few weeks time. I wouldn't waste too much time arguing over the legitimacy of these numbers.
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7970 doing over 10000 gpu points at stock clocks
http://3dmark.com/3dm11/2804663
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Rumors of kepler appear, what do people do? - Bash Nvidia
Rumors of kepler equaling 7900 series appear , what do people do? - Bash Nvidia
Rumors of kepler being a small chip and still equaling 7900 appear, what do people do? - Bash Nvidia
Rumors of kepler beating 7900 appear, what do people do? - Bash Nvidia
Benchmarks of kepler beating 7900 appear, what do people do? - Bash Nvidia
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In all seriousness though, If these are accurate then this is a huge win for all of us (except the part about price, but hey AMD decided to abandon their sweet spot pricing).
Nvidia getting rid of their problems with power consumption and producing a card that outpaces the 7970 with a smaller die is great. More competition and better cards for everyone. Though I'd still be kind of vary of buying one these, for some reason I get a feeling that 28nm prices are way inflated at the moment. And I would like to see the part with the 550mm^2 die instead of this mainstream 300mm^2 die. Will be a beast!
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No need to release a card that would absolutely destroy the market. It's all about profits. If you can release a midrange card that costs less to manufacture than the high end card, that also performs better than your competitor's top range card, why bother with an even better card? Save it for when your competitor releases a faster card..

There is absolutely no way Nvidia wouldn't release a better card if they had one. Even a paper launch. They just don't have one.

Beating by a few percent isn't really beating, especially when it get's released significantly later.
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Rumors of kepler appear, what do people do? - Bash Nvidia
In all seriousness though, If these are accurate then this is a huge win for all of us (except the part about price, but hey AMD decided to abandon their sweet spot pricing).
Nvidia getting rid of their problems with power consumption and producing a card that outpaces the 7970 with a smaller die is great. More competition and better cards for everyone. Though I'd still be kind of vary of buying one these, for some reason I get a feeling that 28nm prices are way inflated at the moment. And I would like to see the part with the 550mm^2 die instead of this mainstream 300mm^2 die. Will be a beast!

Yeah, Kepler is a big step forward for Nvidia. The power consumption is fixed, and their memory clock is ridiculous, especially in comparison to their last generation.

I'm still not too enthusiastic about these 28nm cards though... price needs to come down.
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A whole 6 games benchmarked? How thorough.rolleyes.gif
 
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Will you shut up and stop being such a damn fanboy? Man, nothing will please you. AT THE SAME PRICE of a 7970, it is 15% faster. WHAT MORE COULD YOU WANT. That means it's what, 30-35% faster than a GTX 580? At the end of the day I don't care what the color of the card is, I just care which one performs better.

Were have you seen 15%?
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That would be a down right stupid business decision. You want it to perform well on paper, and by paper I mean stock. The general public who doesn't know a thing about OCing is going to make a decision based on out-of-box performance.
Are you going to use your full arsenal to take an enemy down when one bullet will do the job? It's why the GK100 is still in NV's arsenal.
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No need to release a card that would absolutely destroy the market. It's all about profits. If you can release a midrange card that costs less to manufacture than the high end card, that also performs better than your competitor's top range card, why bother with an even better card? Save it for when your competitor releases a faster card..

See, that's the problem though. We don't know why GK100 never materialized. It's possible that it had an extreme flaw in design that GK104 didn't have. It's also possible that GK100 created too much heat or used too much power and would require a cooler akin to that of the GTX 480. It's possible that the facility that they developed this card in was hit by a nuke and now the card is in a big pile of goo in the middle of the rubble.

My point is that we have no evidence of why GK100 never materialized. We all know that GF100 (GTX 480, 470, 465) was a broken chip. None of the releases of that chip were had all of the CUDA cores unlocked. Only the revised GF110 had all 512 cores available. If GK100 had issues, it's possible that GK110 will be the answer, much like GF110 was far superior to that of GF100. It's very probable that nvidia actually lost money on their GF100 core because of the issues they had. Those issues were not present in GF104 either.

My initial guess is that GK100 may have turned out to be another GF100, and if that's the case, Nvidia was probably better off not releasing it anyway and simply clocking GK104 to the moon and putting better power circuitry on it. Again, all of this is speculation, but you should know now that GK104 is the flagship, and that's not changing until nvidia decides to release a higher-end solution.
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Will you shut up and stop being such a damn fanboy? Man, nothing will please you. AT THE SAME PRICE of a 7970, it is 15% faster. WHAT MORE COULD YOU WANT. That means it's what, 30-35% faster than a GTX 580? At the end of the day I don't care what the color of the card is, I just care which one performs better.

The 24-40% increase that nvidia and it's blind fanboys have been bragging about for ages now...
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what scare us is the low yield!if apple cannot get these in suficient number imagine regular user!and beating a say amd by margin of error isnt beating at all!
men amd mmust be laughing so hard right now!it was an insanelly good move to release in december it put the pressure on nvidia!
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