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To everyone saying they should be benched at same clocks......

Since when has there ever been a AMD and Nvidia card clocked the same? Benches are always done at the stock clocks of the cards when the cards come out. No matter what they are. Reviewers never say, "hey this gen AMD card is clocked at xxx Mhz and the Nvidia is xxx Mhz. We better clock them exactly the same before we start up our benchies." Then people would complain that one of the cards was underclocked for the review.

If you want to see OC'd vs OC'd results, we will have to wait till the 680 gets closer to launch. I wish the card was more of a monster also, but if the 7970 and 680 are priced the same....I know which one I'd go with.
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cant wait for 7950 price drops! get Ivy Bridge out already!
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I might believe a 40% overclock on a aftermarket air cooler, but on reference model? That seems slightly too good to be true.. but we shall see. I hope it is true.
I will be buying one either way with these results.

Why believe 40% on a 28nm 7970 yet not a 27% OC (1100mhz turbo/stock to 1400mhz turbo/stock) on the GTX 680? tongue.gif
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I might believe a 40% overclock on a aftermarket air cooler, but on reference model? That seems slightly too good to be true.. but we shall see. I hope it is true.
I will be buying one either way with these results.

Thats hopping for too much. Cards that OC too way have high leakage (Temps) like GTX470 and GTX480.
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post #205 of 425
Glad I waited =)

Was about to pull the trigger on MSI Lightning 7970 then I saw this...

=)

Let's be fair, without overclock results its a little early to crown the king. But I've had great experiences with Nvidia and Evga RMA's

Imagine the 680gtx Lightning!
    
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Why believe 40% on a 28nm 7970 yet not a 27% OC (1100mhz turbo/stock to 1400mhz turbo/stock) on the GTX 680? tongue.gif

I would not consider "turbo" as stock. Stock is 1006MHz, so 40% overclock.

7970 overclocks well, I just wouldn't assume the 680 does too. It could already be set very high in the factory. In theory, it should overclock better than the 7970. Just don't get your hopes up.
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Hey.... looky what I found. They moved the grey box up a little on the BF3 graph.

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Suddenly the HD 7970 doesn't look so bad after all. It's a dead heat between the GTX 680 and the HD 7970. wink.gif
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How do you get 8X AA in BF3 I want to know.
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I'm all for patterns, but last I checked, Nvidia changed and added the "GTX" prefix to their 550 this past generation, even though the GTX 550 ti is anything but a high-performance part. AMD also changed their numbering scheme recently with the HD 5870 being their flagship single-GPU, the next generation, the 6870 was a mid-highend part. The numbers are screwed up right now, and GK104, aka GTX 680 isn't helping matters.
If GK100 exists, where is it? Even if it is "too powerful", why not put a $300 price premium on it, sell it for $800-850, and sell it to the market that used to be reserved for dual-GPU parts?
G80, G92, GT100, GF100, GF 110... all of those denote high-end parts. The only pattern I see is that they all have a "G" in front of their names.
Again, if you know something that the rest of us don't, I would love to hear it. Until then, GK104 is the flagship part. There is no arguing that.

The pattern, which I'm sure you see but ignore to acknowledge, is that each and every one (except G92) ends in a ZER0.

I'm sure GK100/110 exists. nVidia isn't just resting on it's laurels over a 15% beating of the 7970.

And the reason as to not sell it right now with an $800 price tag is because that isn't beneficial in any way whatsoever!

By selling the GK104 as a GTX680 that meets or beats the 7970, they can charge $450-500 for a card that costs considerably less to produce than a GK100/110.

This also allows them to stretch an architecture out across two series of GPU's like what they did with GTX480 to GTX580. By providing a proof-of-concept in GK104, they can look two generations ahead for R&D money and just wait for AMD to launch 8970 to come back and attack with GK100/110.

Also, $800 is a price segment that is severely limited. We all know $250 is the sweet spot for buyers, but even a $450-500 card like the GTX580 will move a considerable amount of units. nVidia would be blowing their whole wad on a card that sold in the hundreds of units (not thousands) if they released a GK100/110 based $800 card right now.

Dual-GPU cards are never profit-makers anyway. They are only there for AMD or nVidia to claim "We have the fastest single card right now!"

With the GK104 already meeting/beating 7970, there's absolutely no reason to pull out anything more powerful since a 7990 (if it comes out) could be dethroned by a 2xGK104 based GTX690.

Do you see what I'm getting at?

I agree that, for the time being, GK104 is nVidia's "highest-end" solution. But you must admit it is only a filler until 8970 comes out and nVidia fires back with GK100/110.
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I would not consider "turbo" as stock. Stock is 1006MHz, so 40% overclock.
7970 overclocks well, I just wouldn't assume the 680 does too. It could already be set very high in the factory. In theory, it should overclock better than the 7970. Just don't get your hopes up.
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Hey.... looky what I found. They moved the grey box up a little on the BF3 graph.
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Suddenly the HD 7970 doesn't look so bad after all. It's a dead heat between the GTX 680 and the HD 7970. wink.gif

The drivers are not the official review ones, but rather older, per other site owners I've seen talk about this review. So, performance for the GTX 680 will be higher than that by far, in BF3, in the American reviews and ones that come out at launch.
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