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I'm still waiting on that proof by the way. Don't make claims that you don't intend to back up with evidence.
Nvidia has a higher-up card that they are withholding from the consumers. They could easily position their cards in a way to still make money on their highest end chip IF it is that much more powerful. The fact that GK104 is the GTX 680 sends up a red flag... they have no true high-end part this generation.

I already told you where to go look. Not my fault you're too lazy to do so... As far as positioning, no one cares: GK104 is a beast and clearly worthy of being called high-end. Weren't you trying to call the 7970 an amazing value and true high-end destroyer even though it was only 15-20% faster than the GTX 580? That means GK104 is SUPER high-end then tongue.gif.

For those wondering though... (other than Mad Pistol, since I don't care what a zealot thinks...)

SKYMTL (HardWare Canucks reviewer) regarding the Kepler NDA and if it is down:
"It is not. So take all with a grain of salt as we don't know which driver they are using...."

Thus if anything it will be faster, as drivers improve performance with later pre-release versions. We'll see better BF3 results on launch-day reviews, but even as-is it's a damn impressive card.
Edited by GoldenTiger - 3/16/12 at 3:37pm
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I already told you where to go look. Not my fault you're too lazy to do so... As far as positioning, no one cares: GK104 is a beast and clearly worthy of being called high-end. Weren't you trying to call the 7970 an amazing value and true high-end destroyer even though it was only 15-20% faster than the GTX 580? That means GK104 is SUPER high-end then tongue.gif.
For those wondering though... (other than Mad Pistol, since I don't care what a zealot thinks...)
SKYMTL (HardWare Canucks reviewer) regarding the Kepler NDA and if it is down:
"It is not. So take all with a grain of salt as we don't know which driver they are using...."
Thus if anything it will be faster, as drivers improve performance with later pre-release versions. We'll see better BF3 results on launch-day reviews, but even as-is it's a damn impressive card.


You told me about a thread that is 60 pages long with 25 posts a page. That's about as broad as you can get without saying "I found X information on Y site. Go find it yourself."

YOU MADE THE CLAIM, SO YOU HAVE TO BACK IT UP WITH PROOF. THIS IS NOT MY ISSUE. THIS IS YOURS. DEAL WITH IT, OR STOP MAKING CLAIMS YOU CANNOT PROVE.

I am no zealot. Except for 2 cards, I have only owned nvidia cards. Geforce 2 MX 400, Geforce 4 MX 440, Ti 4600, FX 5900, 6800 GT, 8800 GTX, 9800 GTX+, 9600 GT... I've owned all of those cards. I've given them my fair share of money.

If you have proof of this increased performance, provide it, or shut up.
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I think all the comments here are about Nvidia Fanboys trying to look down on people that bought HD 7970 and they are the smart ones for Waiting, AMD fanboys that bought HD 7970 think are smarter because they bought a card as fast 10 weeks before.
I am that 0% of people that would buy GTX680 if its faster. I just hope its not a HD 5850 > GTX470 because based on every review, OCN member GTX470 was better but to me HD 5850 was superior. Frankly i dont play all games that get reviewed.
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I'm very quickly becoming an AMD/ATI fanboy simply because nvidia's marketing tactics are out of control. The GTX 480 release was a joke, the GTX 580 fixed it, and now the GTX 680 is supposedly built on a mid-range platform. That means that nvidia doesn't have a true high-end part this time around, so instead, they're slapping a GTX 680 sticker on their mid-range card, putting a $550 price tag on it and calling it a day.
I'm all for innovation, but this has money hogging written all over it, and that's why I'm starting to dislike nvidia. This time around, there is no 8800 GTX-esq part that has massive performance numbers that the competition can't touch. Instead, they have a solution which has a paltry 200-watt TDP (The GTX 580 in comparison was around 250-watts), which means they can create a higher-end chip... but they're marketing the GK104 as the GTX 680, the highest end single-GPU card in their lineup.
If that's all they've got this time around, I have no interest simply because I believe they are not trying this round. They are sitting on what is supposedly a break-through architecture and waiting for AMD to catch up. I don't care if they release a super-high-end GTX 685 that has 260-watt TDP and a $700 price tag. At least they aren't lying to their consumers about what they can do with this architecture.

"I'm very quickly becoming a fanboy" - "I'm starting to dislike Nvidia". I think you already crossed that bridge long time ago.

If it bothers you, best thing to do is unsubscribe to the thread and call it a day. Enjoy your GPU and dont let Nvidia get under your skin. Not sure what your trying to prove here? We're good with what might be released and hoping it pans out. Is it okay by you that we discuss it on this thread?
     
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I'm still waiting on that proof by the way. Don't make claims that you don't intend to back up with evidence.
Nvidia has a higher-up card that they are withholding from the consumers. They could easily position their cards in a way to still make money on their highest end chip IF it is that much more powerful. The fact that GK104 is the GTX 680 sends up a red flag... they have no true high-end part this generation. If they did, they would hike up the price on it and attempt to make a return on investment.
Smart companies sell products that they have developed, unless there is an underlying issue that keeps them from doing this.

You're right, the true GTX 680 based on GK100 is broken as I said earlier. That does not change the fact that GK104 was aimed towards the mainstream market. GTX 680 is positioned towards the HD 7970 though. Tahiti XT is just the lesser GPU as far as gaming goes and that's a good thing since that means we're making progress -- note that this is if other review sites come to the same conclusion as this. If Kepler is indeed 7970 +15% and is priced at $549, nVidia wins and we as consumers win a little bit.

Since you are only interested in AMD GPUs, you could buy an HD 7970 for less, if AMD does in fact revise their pricing that is. Enthusiasts will simply have a faster toy. I personally am not buying either of them since $549 is far too expensive, GPU prizes have gone bonkers this generation.
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You told me about a thread that is 60 pages long with 25 posts a page. That's about as broad as you can get without saying "I found X information on Y site. Go find it yourself."
[*U][*B]YOU MADE THE CLAIM, SO YOU HAVE TO BACK IT UP WITH PROOF. THIS IS NOT MY ISSUE. THIS IS YOURS. DEAL WITH IT, OR STOP MAKING CLAIMS YOU CANNOT PROVE.[/B][/U]
I am no zealot. Except for 2 cards, I have only owned nvidia cards.
If you have proof of this increased performance, provide it, or shut up.

I already just posted the info verbatim and told you where it can be found as well. I'm sorry you don't LIKE the info, but it is there and here for you. You actually quoted the post containing the info, even. It says, as far as he can without blatantly breaking the NDA, that the drivers were old.
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You're right, the true GTX 680 based on GK100 is broken as I said earlier. That does not change the fact that GK104 was aimed towards the mainstream market. GTX 680 is positioned towards the HD 7970 though. Tahiti XT is just the lesser GPU as far as gaming goes and that's a good thing since that means we're making progress -- note that this is if other review sites come to the same conclusion as this. If Kepler is indeed 7970 +15% and is priced at $549, nVidia wins and we as consumers win a little bit.
Since you are only interested in AMD GPUs, you could buy an HD 7970 for less, if AMD does in fact revise their pricing that is. Enthusiasts will simply have a faster toy. I personally am not buying either of them since $549 is far too expensive, GPU prizes have gone bonkers this generation.

I'm not interested in anything right now because I don't feel the need to upgrade. What I am interested in is some numbers that will settle this argument.

Nvidia fans are cheering in this thread.
AMD fans are questioning it.
Everyone else is watching the fireworks.

I have one guy claiming that the drivers for the GTX 680 in that article are outdated, yet he has no proof. There are rumors circulating the internet that BF3 is 40% faster on a GTX 680, yet this article says otherwise. Nvidia is claiming 2x performance per watt increase with this generation, which is pretty impressive if true, considering that the last big breakthrough in GPU tech was the 8800 GTX, and that's over 5 years old now.

Sorry if I sound a little bit skeptical about all of this, but there is a lot of conflicting information in this thread and on the net. People that provide answers without proof aren't helping the situation either. There is more than one person in this thread that meets this criteria.
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I'm not interested in anything right now because I don't feel the need to upgrade. What I am interested in is some numbers that will settle this argument.
Nvidia fans are cheering in this thread.
AMD fans are questioning it.
Everyone else is watching the fireworks.
I have one guy claiming that the drivers in this thread are outdated, yet he has no proof. There are rumors circulating the internet that BF3 is 40% faster on a GTX 680, yet this article says otherwise. Nvidia is claiming 2x performance per watt increase with this generation, which is pretty impressive if true, considering that the last big breakthrough in GPU tech was the 8800 GTX, and that's over 5 years old now.
Sorry if I sound a little bit skeptical about all of this, but there is a lot of conflicting information in this thread and on the net. People that provide answers without proof aren't helping the situation either.

A little bit skeptical? Modest much?
     
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I'm not interested in anything right now because I don't feel the need to upgrade. What I am interested in is some numbers that will settle this argument.
Nvidia fans are cheering in this thread.
AMD fans are questioning it.
Everyone else is watching the fireworks.
I have one guy claiming that the drivers in this thread are outdated, yet he has no proof. There are rumors circulating the internet that BF3 is 40% faster on a GTX 680, yet this article says otherwise. Nvidia is claiming 2x performance per watt increase with this generation, which is pretty impressive if true, considering that the last big breakthrough in GPU tech was the 8800 GTX, and that's over 5 years old now.
Sorry if I sound a little bit skeptical about all of this, but there is a lot of conflicting information in this thread and on the net. People that provide answers without proof aren't helping the situation either.

Exactly! Faster or not, it will be beaten by a better card in 3-6 months!

Forget these high range cards! Get 2 midrange cards in SLI/CFX and blow them both away.

To everyone!!! The GTX 680 is not a midrange card!!!!!
Edited by Madclock - 3/16/12 at 4:02pm
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AMD fans have to accept that the GTX680 is the faster card by around ~15% on average and will possibly overclock better.

Nvidia fans while having bragging rights have to accept that they're jackasses for believing Nvidia's hype of 25-40% faster.

It's GTX480 vs 5870 and GTX580 vs 6970 all over again.
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