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Is the amplifier contained in the Recon3D PCIe able to drive a pair of DT 990 600 ohms?

They will 'work' but not well. Listening volume (btw, I'm making certain assumptions here as I don't own that card but they are reasonable assumptions) will be a bit low and you (this next part is debatable amongst the audio community - the side I fall on is obvious) will not only not hear/feel the bottom end of the audio stream but you will also miss out on some of the high end also - basically, whenever the headphone/music call for more voltage or current is where you'll experience the lack of correctness. That said, some believe that the only purpose an amp serves is to amplify the sound and if the headphone is at an acceptable volume without, you don't need one - again, I don't agree with this.
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Better because of overall sound, or better because it sounds better and has better positional audio? Like I said the positional audio is what I'm looking for.

I've listened to both cards side-by-side, more than once and must say that although there are some subtle differences between the two, you would be hard-pressed to identify each correctly in a blind test. They are both fantastic for music.

However, positional audio goes to the TiHD, hands down (IMHO). This is not due to EAX as few (newer) games use this any longer. It simply just does a better job.

OT: I really need to pick up one of these Recon 3d cards and check it out in a spare rig.
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They will 'work' but not well. Listening volume (btw, I'm making certain assumptions here as I don't own that card but they are reasonable assumptions) will be a bit low and you (this next part is debatable amongst the audio community - the side I fall on is obvious) will not only not hear/feel the bottom end of the audio stream but you will also miss out on some of the high end also - basically, whenever the headphone/music call for more voltage or current is where you'll experience the lack of correctness. That said, some believe that the only purpose an amp serves is to amplify the sound and if the headphone is at an acceptable volume without, you don't need one - again, I don't agree with this.
I've listened to both cards side-by-side, more than once and must say that although there are some subtle differences between the two, you would be hard-pressed to identify each correctly in a blind test. They are both fantastic for music.
However, positional audio goes to the TiHD, hands down (IMHO). This is not due to EAX as few (newer) games use this any longer. It simply just does a better job.
OT: I really need to pick up one of these Recon 3d cards and check it out in a spare rig.

If the TiHD wins hands down. Why get the Recon?
     
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If the TiHD wins hands down. Why get the Recon?

I wasn't including the Recon 3d in the mix. I thought you were debating between the TiHD and STX. If you mean why would I personally get the Recon 3d, it would be for testing purposes only. My company builds and sells computers (amongst other things) so I try and play with everything.
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I wasn't including the Recon 3d in the mix. I thought you were debating between the TiHD and STX. If you mean why would I personally get the Recon 3d, it would be for testing purposes only. My company builds and sells computers (amongst other things) so I try and play with everything.

Ahh yeah the STX wasn't really in my mind. I was tossing around the TiHD and the Recon3D. I kno the TiHD is technically superior, but as I said I'm only really concerned with positional audio.
     
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Ahh yeah the STX wasn't really in my mind. I was tossing around the TiHD and the Recon3D. I kno the TiHD is technically superior, but as I said I'm only really concerned with positional audio.

If that's your only priority, then there's really no reason to consider the TiHD or the STX as the Recon3d is much less. thumb.gif
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If that's your only priority, then there's really no reason to consider the TiHD or the STX as the Recon3d is much less. thumb.gif

Indeed, but that brings me to the vexing point. Its only another $45 for the TiHD ($134) Recon3D ($90), I wouldn't mind spending the extra scratch if the virtual 3D positioning was better. But if it is the same or worse Id rather have the Recon as I don't listen to music on this rig.
     
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Reading more on creatives website the TiHD uses THX Trustudio Pro, which is what the Recond3D also uses for 3D environments.

The Titanium HD has to be the better choice then I assume right? Considering they use the same Tech to create the sounds but the HD is a superior card?

Is there anything wrong with that logic?
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Reading more on creatives website the TiHD uses THX Trustudio Pro, which is what the Recond3D also uses for 3D environments.
The Titanium HD has to be the better choice then I assume right? Considering they use the same Tech to create the sounds but the HD is a superior card?
Is there anything wrong with that logic?

Well, the TiHD is the better card but only due to the SQ. I don't think positional audio will get any better.
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Well, the TiHD is the better card but only due to the SQ. I don't think positional audio will get any better.

True but if they use the same surround processing and theTiHD has better SQ it would be safe to assume that the positional audio would also sound better right?

I originally thought the TiHD used CMSS-3D but the creative website says they both have THX Surround.
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True but if they use the same surround processing and theTiHD has better SQ it would be safe to assume that the positional audio would also sound better right?
I originally thought the TiHD used CMSS-3D but the creative website says they both have THX Surround.

1) Not necessarily, they're different cards in many ways.

2) TiHD does offer both THX & CMSS-3D.
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