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I want to know, what's your opinion on this whole HPCS beta?

Do you think it's for the good of science or is it just a cheap way for points?

Lets get some community feedback!
    
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A quick google search didn't really give me satisfactory results, so what exactly is HPCS? I think I remember hearing that it was cloud based folding or something?
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Quit frankly when abused it is doing nothing for F@H other than diminishing what others that are donating there machinery and money to a worthy cause are doing. If the people that are abuse the HPCS were truly doing it for the science then they would have them set up as HPCS and folding for team HPCS thus giving credit where the credit is deserved. The ones that are abusing the system are doing it for purely selfish reasons which is not the purpose of F@H and has the potential to give folding and OCN a bad name.

It is you the members of OCN that are allowing this to happen and actually promoting it. It is you the members of OCN that will have to deal with the concurrences of it. What do you think OCN's rep is turning into in the folding comunity the team that will do anything for a few points. The team that does not care about rules and guidelines. It is actually pretty sad that the leadership of OCN is willing to accept and promote this kind of abuse. What is happening is disrespectful of F@H, HPCS and the folding community membership.
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Has Stanford complained about HPCS ?
Seems to me the more WU's completed the better, no matter who gets credit for it.
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HPCS own TOS states you cannot register multiple accounts and use them for the same purpose (like folding)


Stanford's F@H own rules state you are not allowed to fold on any machine you aren't given express consent to fold on.


Its a violation of both policies.

If I continue to see the system abused I will fold for another team that demonstrates they dont condone the activity. I am all for completing the WU's... HOWEVER. I will not break the rules to do so. Any team that does I do not want to be associated with period. I am actually thinking of deactivating my OCN forum account over this.

EVGA's stance

F@H rules

Spefically keep in mind Rule #1 which states
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Run Folding@home only on computers that you own, or for which you have obtained the owner's permission. Some companies and schools have policies that prohibit using their computers for projects such as Folding@home.

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Originally Posted by Darkpriest667 View Post

HPCS own TOS states you cannot register multiple accounts and use them for the same purpose (like folding)
Stanford's F@H own rules state you are not allowed to fold on any machine you aren't given express consent to fold on.
Its a violation of both policies.
If I continue to see the system abused I will fold for another team that demonstrates they dont condone the activity. I am all for completing the WU's... HOWEVER. I will not break the rules to do so. Any team that does I do not want to be associated with period. I am actually thinking of deactivating my OCN forum account over this.
EVGA's stance
F@H rules
Spefically keep in mind Rule #1 which states
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Run Folding@home only on computers that you own, or for which you have obtained the owner's permission. Some companies and schools have policies that prohibit using their computers for projects such as Folding@home.

Wait are you threatening to rage quit because people are using HPCS or because people are using multiple accounts on HPCS....?
 
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Wait... For it to be a threat wouldn't it need imply that we should be afraid of it happening?
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No one should be threatening to quit over such a thing.

There is many people on both sides of the fence with this but there is no need to start calling people haters and causing a riot, as all things can be worked out through talking the issue over.


My standpoint on the whole thing is all folding is not the same, and science is not supposed to be gained by any means possible. I agree that it is the main point and its very important.

But to abuse such a service is wrong. To grossly lie and create as many accounts as you can and tax a service that was created to try to test out an upcoming service is wrong. When I talked to HP themselves they said that running F@H on their servers and running multiple accounts was a breach of their TOS and they are already in the works of locating those multiple accounts and getting rid of the unwanted load.

Lets put points and hardware and all of those other issues aside. Would you lie and install F@H on any computer you wanted without asking and say "its for the science"?

The science itself is not in question, not even if you have the hardware or not. Its the shameful and wrong way that people are going about to obtain those points.

I am very disappointed that something has not been said about making the multiple accounts before now, but people do have the right to choose when it comes to morality.

But it still does need to be brought into question with how we are wanting to portray our team? Do we want to be the team that does anything to get points.

Or do we want to be the team that does whats right even if other teams don't.


Everything can be found here: http://hpcloud.com/legal_docs

This lists the things that running F@H on multiple accounts violates.
Edited by Lutro0 - 3/17/12 at 3:35pm
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No one should be threatening to quit over such a thing.
There is many people on both sides of the fence with this but there is no need to start calling people haters and causing a riot, as all things can be worked out through talking the issue over.
My standpoint on the whole thing is all folding is not the same, and science is not supposed to be gained by any means possible. I agree that it is the main point and its very important.
But to abuse such a service is shameful. To grossly lie and create as many accounts as you can and tax a service that was created to try to test out an upcoming service is wrong. When I talked to HP themselves they said that running F@H on their servers and running multiple accounts was a breach of their TOS and they are already in the works of locating those multiple accounts and getting rid of the unwanted load.
Lets put points and hardware and all of those other issues aside. Would you lie and install F@H on any computer you wanted without asking and say "its for the science"?
The science itself is not in question, not even if you have the hardware or not. Its the shameful and wrong way that people are going about to obtain those points.
I am very disappointed that lieing is condoned here, but people do have the right to choose when it comes to morality.
But it still does need to be brought into question with how we are wanting to portray our team? Do we want to be the team that does anything to get points.
Or do we want to be the team that does whats right even if other teams don't.

Really? That's the first I've heard that :O.

I guess they may have just recently changed their stance on FAH? When I talked to HPCS customer support a month and half ago I told them explicitly that i was folding on their servers and they had no issue with it. When I registered my account I made it clear I would be folding on their servers... they had no issue with it then.
 
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Originally Posted by Lutro0 View Post

No one should be threatening to quit over such a thing.
There is many people on both sides of the fence with this but there is no need to start calling people haters and causing a riot, as all things can be worked out through talking the issue over.
My standpoint on the whole thing is all folding is not the same, and science is not supposed to be gained by any means possible. I agree that it is the main point and its very important.
But to abuse such a service is shameful. To grossly lie and create as many accounts as you can and tax a service that was created to try to test out an upcoming service is wrong. When I talked to HP themselves they said that running F@H on their servers and running multiple accounts was a breach of their TOS and they are already in the works of locating those multiple accounts and getting rid of the unwanted load.
Lets put points and hardware and all of those other issues aside. Would you lie and install F@H on any computer you wanted without asking and say "its for the science"?
The science itself is not in question, not even if you have the hardware or not. Its the shameful and wrong way that people are going about to obtain those points.
I am very disappointed that lieing is condoned here, but people do have the right to choose when it comes to morality.
But it still does need to be brought into question with how we are wanting to portray our team? Do we want to be the team that does anything to get points.
Or do we want to be the team that does whats right even if other teams don't.

Really? That's the first I've heard that :O.

I guess they may have just recently changed their stance on FAH? When I talked to HPCS customer support a month and half ago I told them explicitly that i was folding on their servers and they had no issue with it. When I registered my account I made it clear I would be folding on their servers... they had no issue with it then.

I think Lutro means folding on multiple HPCS accounts is against their ToS ( I have no idea about this)
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