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post #41 of 90
3/17/12 at 4:18pm
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Originally Posted by james_ant View Post

He is not clearly guilty of anything. He already stated that most of the major media corporations had direct delete access to infringing files, not to mention that megaupload actively deleted infringing files.
Megaupload had many legit uses. I used it all the time to share personal files and school documents. In fact I had files on megaupload when it was taken down. If you think he was clearly guilty of anything, its providing a great cloud storage and file sharing service.

On top of which he's only recieved one legal document about so in the past 7? 8? years it was around. If they were so infringing, why didn't any company send any legal notices/documents?

Obviously he was indeed not as guilty as they wanted it to seem.
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post #42 of 90
3/17/12 at 4:22pm
Score one for the dark! biggrin.gif
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post #43 of 90
3/17/12 at 4:32pm
A) This is not a fruit of the poison tree situation. The raid itself was not illegal, they just went further than the scope of the warrant. Nothing taken related to the prosecution was taken illegally. Anyway, this is New Zealand law so US doctrines are not applicable.
B) The FBI was not involved in the raid.
C) Your lawyer telling you that something is not illegal *may* mitigate things, but it's not a defense. People will shop for attorneys who will tell them something is legal.
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post #44 of 90
3/17/12 at 4:47pm
yayy glad the judge that declared it null and void wasnt under pressure from the MPAA
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post #45 of 90
3/17/12 at 4:49pm
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Honestly, that's just stupid to me. So even though he's clearly guilty of crimes and such he's let off free because of the lack of warrant?

yes, even if dot com was guilty, which i do not believe so, if a court allows police to use any illegal gathered evidence, then whats to stop them from illegally busting into your house in the middle of the night and taking everything? whats to stop them from illegally tapping your phones and stuff. They have to have a warrant.
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post #46 of 90
3/17/12 at 4:50pm
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A) This is not a fruit of the poison tree situation. The raid itself was not illegal, they just went further than the scope of the warrant. Nothing taken related to the prosecution was taken illegally. Anyway, this is New Zealand law so US doctrines are not applicable.
B) The FBI was not involved in the raid.
C) Your lawyer telling you that something is not illegal *may* mitigate things, but it's not a defense. People will shop for attorneys who will tell them something is legal.
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All four of the arrested men are accused of internet piracy and the FBI is seeking to extradite them to the US to face charges of conspiring to commit racketeering, conspiring to commit money laundering, copyright infringement, and aiding and abetting copyright infringement over the internet through the website Megaupload.

Simultaneous raids took place in Australia, the Philippines, Hong Kong, Germany, Canada, the Netherlands, Britain and the US.

The magazine said the police liaison in Washington, Detective Superintendent Mike Pannett, monitored activities around the world from the FBI's multi-agency command centre.

Clearly, the FBI had nothing to do with this. Clearly!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10785599
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post #47 of 90
3/17/12 at 5:05pm
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good. the FBI has no business going overseas and doing this in the first place.

What I meant is that they did not conduct the raid, and I was replying in part to the quote above. Asking a country to extradite someone who has committed a crime is not insane, and he is getting a hearing before extradition.
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post #48 of 90
3/17/12 at 5:19pm
And here I was thinking legal procedure errors only happened in Belgium tongue.gif
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post #49 of 90
3/17/12 at 6:04pm
YES! I wonder if this will set any precedents?

Yes, in the world we live it today, mass violations of rights are carried out w/o a check, or 2nd thought. Even if the guy was an arse, or whatever the case may be, what was done to him was a flagrant violation of his rights; not that anyone seems to care.
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post #50 of 90
3/17/12 at 6:28pm
Good for dotcom. I'm sick of the us acting like the police force of the world. The US needs to stop worying about what they deem crimes in countries that does not consider it a crime.
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