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AFAIK ESXi does not support fakeRAID.
Can anyone confirm?
The VMWare forums seem to say the same thing...

AFAIK your right. i just finished day 1 of a VMware bootcamp, i will put it on my list of questions in tomorrows session if you like to get get confirmation from the VMware engineers and any other questions you may have.. thumb.gif
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Hey,
I've been looking on the Xen forums and there are ways to make software RAID or fakeRAID (that's the hardware RAID off the motherboard) work. But they all have their issues, what I want is true hardware raid with a dedicated controller.

http://hcl.xensource.com/BrowsableStorageControllerList.aspx

Onboard MB RAID supported by Citrix.

Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 SATA Controller SATA
Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] SP5100 SATA
Intel 5 Series/3400 Series SATA
Intel 82801JI (ICH10 Family) SATA
Intel 82801JR (ICH10R) SATA

If you can find it in Australia:

http://www.amazon.com/9650SE-2LP-Internal-Hardware-Controller-Pci-express/dp/B000KBG4Y0

3ware makes decent entry range cards. A bit out of your initial price range, I know.
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AFAIK your right. i just finished day 1 of a VMware bootcamp, i will put it on my list of questions in tomorrows session if you like to get get confirmation from the VMware engineers and any other questions you may have.. thumb.gif

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Onboard MB RAID supported by Citrix.
Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 SATA Controller SATA
Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] SP5100 SATA
Intel 5 Series/3400 Series SATA
Intel 82801JI (ICH10 Family) SATA
Intel 82801JR (ICH10R) SATA
If you can find it in Australia:
http://www.amazon.com/9650SE-2LP-Internal-Hardware-Controller-Pci-express/dp/B000KBG4Y0
3ware makes decent entry range cards. A bit out of your initial price range, I know.

Thanks,

But I know for a fact that my onboard RAID is not supported.

I've actually ordered an Adaptec card which is officially supported by ESXi so I will try and make it work with Xen and if I can't. I will use ESXi.

The reason I chose Xen is because we use ESXi at work and I wanted to try something new.

I have quality Intel NIC's so hardware for ESXi shouldn't be an issue...

+Rep for you and stubass.
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Please Ask.

i will ask for sure, but wont have an answer until about 7-8pm sydney time smile.gif
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i will ask for sure, but wont have an answer until about 7-8pm sydney time smile.gif

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TYVM.

Confirmed, software RAID is not supported by ESXi or doesnt do software RAID.. did that answer your concern? smile.gif

that is ESXi itself
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Confirmed, software RAID is not supported by ESXi or doesnt do software RAID.. did that answer your concern? smile.gif
that is ESXi itself

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Things are getting very confused, while ESXI of course does not support software RAID; you are not running software RAID by enabling it in your onboard RAID controller. Unfortunately you have been bombarded by incorrect information.

Software RAID (or as some seem to grossly incorrectly called it "fake RAID") is a perfectly valid form of RAID and is implimented at the OS level by the OS, such as with Linux LVM. ESXI has no support or need for this because it uses only VMFS formatting and datastores. It formats all storage like this so it has a standard formatting, and it is up to the user to "present" ESXi storage (whether it be SAN, or local storage). ESX (and Xen) use a small linux kernel, and isn't built to be a multi-use OS, it is meant to only run VM's. ESXi did away with the Kernel, and is strictly a standalone hypervisor.

Hardware RAID is done via your onboard controller, or a dedicated card. The difference is that a dedicated card may offer a dedicated processor to handle calculations. ESXi has a hardware compatibility list you should reference of devices that 100% work and have been tested; obviously VMware cannot be bothered to test every single consumer motherboard, so they might not be listed. The only way to find out is to grab a copy of ESXi 5.0 and try it, I'd bet it works. As far as Xen; I'm a VMware guy, and I was not at all impressed by it, it lacked a lot of features that I took for granted in ESXi.
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Things are getting very confused, while ESXI of course does not support software RAID; you are not running software RAID by enabling it in your onboard RAID controller. Unfortunately you have been bombarded by incorrect information.
Software RAID (or as some seem to grossly incorrectly called it "fake RAID") is a perfectly valid form of RAID and is implimented at the OS level by the OS, such as with Linux LVM. ESXI has no support or need for this because it uses only VMFS formatting and datastores. It formats all storage like this so it has a standard formatting, and it is up to the user to "present" ESXi storage (whether it be SAN, or local storage). ESX (and Xen) use a small linux kernel, and isn't built to be a multi-use OS, it is meant to only run VM's. ESXi did away with the Kernel, and is strictly a standalone hypervisor.
Hardware RAID is done via your onboard controller, or a dedicated card. The difference is that a dedicated card may offer a dedicated processor to handle calculations. ESXi has a hardware compatibility list you should reference of devices that 100% work and have been tested; obviously VMware cannot be bothered to test every single consumer motherboard, so they might not be listed. The only way to find out is to grab a copy of ESXi 5.0 and try it, I'd bet it works. As far as Xen; I'm a VMware guy, and I was not at all impressed by it, it lacked a lot of features that I took for granted in ESXi.

this is true about onboard RAID and as to thier HCL trueg50 is right about its not exhuastive but if it is not listed you will not/may not recieve tech support.. this probably wont matter to you unless you going to use VMware in a production/business environment with licensing..
I also agree ESXi is more feature rich than Xen and also the visualization model is alot better.. Thank Trueg50 for getting into details smile.gif repped

i am now a VMware man myself especially after this week thumb.gif
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