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Gaming CPU? What the hell is a gaming cpu and how is it different from a normal CPU? The conversation was about the Bulldozer architecture, you're the only one going on and on about the CPU's themselves. Of course they aren't going to actually take current bulldozer CPU's and put them in an APU, everyone else is talking about the ARCHITECTURE.
Dude, you're straight up retarded.

[EDIT] You know what - you're right. After rethinking it, Bulldozer is probably the most advanced design I've ever seen. It may not perform as well as other chips but the advanced design is nothing short of remarkable. You don't have to perform well, have good power consumption, or even give a respectable price/performance ration to be an awesome chip. The concept alone is impressive enough to make it winner.

I get what you were saying now. No need for us to discuss this any further.. I finally get it smile.gif
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Oh, I'm sorry, should we say the bulldozer based architecture, future CPU's using bulldozer cores, AMD 15h family micro architecture? How do you want us to describe it to make you stop raging on about the FX series CPU's they released?


Bulldozer is a micro-architecture dude, not a CPU. Why are you still going on and on?
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There is only one "Bulldozer" - that's the current FX lineup. The next revision is considered Piledriver. I know it seems like a simple mistake but it's very important to distinguish between generations of a CPU. In Piledriver they're completely redoing the power distribution. Many people (myself included) have only been saying they need to seriously redo the architecture. By the time they fix all these flaws they will have redone half of the chip design - which makes the chip not even Bulldozer anymore.
Llano used a modified Phenom II chip. When they manage to redo the power system THEN Trinity and other APU's will be based on the new design (Piledriver). If Bulldozer architecture is designed for APU's then why did they intentionally skip over BD cores? They could have easily planned a Bulldozer-based APU for Q1 2012.
Piledriver is still bulldozer based. I don't know where you get the idea that they're so wildly different. It's an overhaul, not a radically different design.
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The original conversation was Bulldozer having a flawed architecture.
I'll say it again.. BULLDOZER is not for APU's There is no way you can have that power efficiency model for an APU. The problem is this: AMD doesn't even know what Bulldozer is. It was marketed (and priced) as a high-end gaming CPU without the performance. It was supposed to have the same IPC as the Phenom II but ended up being about 15% slower clock for clock. What is it? It's not a true APU and it's rather underwhelming as a performance chip. FPU and memory latency was Phenom II's main weakness, and AMD stupidly made it worse with BD.
Here's the real problem: BD is not a suitable replacement for Phenom II. If they really wanted to go this route they should have went Llano for APU and released a Phenom III like I said earlier. With the die shrink they could have possibly added another ALU - which would have improved IPC. Instead, they removed one ALU & APU - which cut the IPC way down. They tried to make a one size fits all CPU and it failed. You tell me to research it but if you've been reading my posts I've been complaining about specific design flaws - so obviously I'm already familiar.
BTW, by the time I got halfway through your post I figured you must be a Bulldozer user. I can't explain it but you people just stick out. Everything you say is from an AMD press release - not based on actually performance or past history. You're always making excuses about design and telling us why it will work without acknowledging that it DIDN'T work.
So you'll be stunned when Trinity comes out as an APU without a Stars based core?
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The original conversation was Bulldozer having a flawed architecture.
I'll say it again.. BULLDOZER is not for APU's There is no way you can have that power efficiency model for an APU. The problem is this: AMD doesn't even know what Bulldozer is. It was marketed (and priced) as a high-end gaming CPU without the performance. It was supposed to have the same IPC as the Phenom II but ended up being about 15% slower clock for clock. What is it? It's not a true APU and it's rather underwhelming as a performance chip. FPU and memory latency was Phenom II's main weakness, and AMD stupidly made it worse with BD.
Here's the real problem: BD is not a suitable replacement for Phenom II. If they really wanted to go this route they should have went Llano for APU and released a Phenom III like I said earlier. With the die shrink they could have possibly added another ALU - which would have improved IPC. Instead, they removed one ALU & APU - which cut the IPC way down. They tried to make a one size fits all CPU and it failed. You tell me to research it but if you've been reading my posts I've been complaining about specific design flaws - so obviously I'm already familiar.
BTW, by the time I got halfway through your post I figured you must be a Bulldozer user. I can't explain it but you people just stick out. Everything you say is from an AMD press release - not based on actually performance or past history. You're always making excuses about design and telling us why it will work without acknowledging that it DIDN'T work.

Yeah what is a gaming cpu exactly and Im pretty sure that Bulldozer CPU was mainly for servers. Hence Opteron. Also, AMD announced themsleves that Bulldozer is optimized for APU configurations. If you understand how the Bulldozer architecture is built and how AMDs fusion technology works then you should clearly understand that Bulldozer architecture is for APU. The one Trinity chip they were demoing had a 17watt TDP which had a Piledriver CPU in it. FX was a first gen and which is why there are many errors in it. They have hopefully optimized all of that and now can produce on a APU chip. Bulldozer was never designed to be a gaming cpu. And frankly there is no such thing. Bulldozer original architecture was designed to work well both as a CPU for APU and also a server chip.. This saves them money only producing one chip but covering many form factors.

Again, like said before, if you understand how bulldozers architecture is and what AMDs plans are for the future then you should clearly see that Bulldozer is for their APU fusion line and how well they will work together once optimized.
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Wow nice walls of letters...

I talked about that when BD arrived: Of course they will. Because average Joe doesn`t look at benchmarks. And if the commercials tell him that there is a 8core CPU=this got to be good.
My colleagues judge a CPU by clocks and cores. I have a hard time to explain that maybe there is a difference in the architecture so
2 cores =/= 2 cores...
So obviously from their POV BD is superb=add to the shopping cart
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