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Really? What tablet is using Bulldozer cores?
I expect to see PowerPC cores in every next-gen console. AMD GPU's for sure but PowerPC in the CPU. IBM has a long working history with each manufacturer and it's been rumored for years. Don't see why any of them would think Bulldozer would be a good idea, just checked Beyond3d and the experts are saying the exact same thing because several people on there have floated the Trinity idea and been shot down pretty quickly.

AMD's APU are all planned to be using their bulldozer based modules, so that means that they plan on having them in tablets and even phones as quickly as they can. Bulldozer architecture was originally planned as the building blocks for ultra low power consumption based CPU's. Bulldozer itself was just a flop in that regard, mainly because they had to try to compete against intel's dominance in the desktop sector.


EDIT: Just in case someone plans on calling me a fan boi, I use an Intel CPU for gods sake, I'm just commenting on facts and some times extrapolating their possible future implications.
    
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Intel's market share is so high that people optimize their programs for Intel CPU's only. With Bulldozer there were basically NO programs that were designed to run well on it and it's new instruction set. If the next generation of consoles are running on AMD CPU's that means that games will be coded to run well on them, which should translate to console ports being coded to run well on AMD CPUs.
When games are running better on AMD cpu's instead of Intel because of how they are coded, AMD will gain more marketshare.

Nothing was "coded" well with Bulldozer, because much fault lay in with Win OS multicore threads not being able to utilize all modules, less than the unwilling of dev to code for such(all patches thereafter that claimed to "unlock" potential OS patches because of this). Both AMD and Intel share many of the same instruction sets(x86, x64), difference is with architecture, IPC, cache. Just because a single platform dominates in the console world, see cell in PS3/PowerPC/AMD/Intel, doesn't mean more games will be ported in a more friendly AMD bias.
 
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Intel's market share is so high that people optimize their programs for Intel CPU's only. With Bulldozer there were basically NO programs that were designed to run well on it and it's new instruction set. If the next generation of consoles are running on AMD CPU's that means that games will be coded to run well on them, which should translate to console ports being coded to run well on AMD CPUs.
When games are running better on AMD cpu's instead of Intel because of how they are coded, AMD will gain more marketshare.
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This. Apparently a ton of people still don't realize that practically all games are coded for intel cpus. Now that AMD snagged a contract with Sony, the PS4 will use an AMD cpu and gpu. I see good things coming from this.

If Intel bias is the only reason Bulldozer underperformed then why is it worse for gaming than even AMD's previous generation? This is the point BD fanatics don't get: Nobody cares why a chip performs better - they just want better performance. AMD messed up because they were focused on potential instead of right now chip performance.
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I like AMD too, and I also like it when they're competitive, maybe? It seems like the further intel gets ahead of AMD, the better intel's pricing gets.

Actually that would be Intel competing against itself.
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At this point AMD needs all they can get.

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This. Apparently a ton of people still don't realize that practically all games are coded for intel cpus. Now that AMD snagged a contract with Sony, the PS4 will use an AMD cpu and gpu. I see good things coming from this.

How does one "code" for a CPU... Both Intel and AMD use the same instruction set.
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If Intel bias is the only reason Bulldozer underperformed then why is it worse for gaming than even AMD's previous generation? This is the point BD fanatics don't get: Nobody cares why a chip performs better - they just want better performance. AMD messed up because they were focused on potential instead of right now chip performance.

Any dx11 game bd will run better, at least in my case. Little share is better than nothing, maybe amd can close in at one point fve or even two this year, should be fun.
Edited by pwnzilla61 - 3/18/12 at 6:44pm
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How does one "code" for a CPU... Both Intel and AMD use the same instruction set.

http://ixbtlabs.com/articles3/cpu/via-nano-cpuid-fake-p1.html

http://www.agner.org/optimize/blog/read.php?i=49
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If Intel bias is the only reason Bulldozer underperformed then why is it worse for gaming than even AMD's previous generation? This is the point BD fanatics don't get: Nobody cares why a chip performs better - they just want better performance. AMD messed up because they were focused on potential instead of right now chip performance.

Just because you don't care why a chip performs better doesn't mean that no body does. The reason the AMD's previous chips perform better in gaming the Bulldozer type architecture is because they were doing their best to suit the performance of main stream programming that was, and still is, Intel based. They decided to stop chasing after Intel type performance and create an architecture that excels in other areas they want to focus on and develop. CPU's are not the limiting factor when it comes to gaming or pretty much any other common task in main stream computing, so it was a sound time to introduce a new style of chip that is the CPU corner stone of a future CPU/GPU (APU) compute scheme.

I'm no bulldozer fanatic and I'm also not ignorant enough to think that a company messed up because they are planning for the future instead of satisfying a niche demand that would have add no real value to the company, or further technology as a whole.
    
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Just because you don't care why a chip performs better doesn't mean that no body does.

See Q6600 vs. Phenom 9850
See 2500k vs. FX-8120
See how many AMD diehards on OCN gave up and sold their BD chips for a 2500k.
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The reason the AMD's previous chips perform better in gaming the Bulldozer type architecture is because they were doing their best to suit the performance of main stream programming that was, and still is, Intel based. They decided to stop chasing after Intel type performance and create an architecture that excels in other areas they want to focus on and develop.

Phenom II performed better than Bulldozer because they were focused on important things like IPC and memory latencies. For example, AMD decided to give up on IPC and go for higher clocks. Not only does it make the chip considerably slower, they made this change before they even finished the efficiency advancements that are supposedly in Piledriver. The end result is a chip that's not only 15% slower clock for clock than its predecessor, but also uses a ton of power at high clock speeds. That has nothing to do with Intel bias - that's a ridiculously stupid design.
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CPU's are not the limiting factor when it comes to gaming or pretty much any other common task in main stream computing, so it was a sound time to introduce a new style of chip that is the CPU corner stone of a future CPU/GPU (APU) compute scheme.

If CPU's aren't the limiting factor, then why does the FX-8150 bottleneck the 7900 series cards?
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I'm no bulldozer fanatic and I'm also not ignorant enough to think that a company messed up because they are planning for the future instead of satisfying a niche demand that would have add no real value to the company, or further technology as a whole.

Again, I take it you don't remember the Q6600 vs the Phenom I. The Phenom was the first "true" quad core chip. How did that play out? They lost the performance war as well as the market share battle. Unless you have price restraints you don't care about future promises - you care about what chip performs right now.
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