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Granted if Trinity improves CPU Performance & GPU Performance & is 17w, that's something to bark about, definitely!
That would be worth using for a super low powered HTPC. biggrin.gif
Piledriver will be worth taking a good look at, surely...

As long as its in the proper price range as well (should be this is AMD). If they price the high end A10-5800k at around $150 to $180 range then with all the rumors being true AMD will have one heck of a seller on their hands. tongue.gif
Edited by Warmonger - 3/18/12 at 9:48pm
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I think you are mistaken my friend.
IPS = IPC x CPU Frequency
How are they going to raise their IPS without working on the IPC? Bulldozer already has a very high frequency. Going from a 4.8Ghz OC to 5.3 OC will make a minimal difference. And the flaws ARE do to its nature - longer pipe/higher latencies give you a severe penalty on calculations or programs that need to access cache as quickly as possible - and that's just part of the problem. We could have a 5 page discussion about the different design flaws of BD. Even a 15% boost in IPC would only make it dead even clock for clock with the Phenom II architecture.
AMD needs to swallow it's pride and scrap this roadmap. Release a Phenom III that incorporates the new power advancements planned for Piledriver + new optimizations of BD and they'll at least be competitive. We don't have 2-3 years to wait for this new roadmap to bear fruit.

No, you're mistaken.
IPS can be brought up through IPC or the frequency, as you said. And going from 4.8 to 5.3 does in fact make a difference. Just plug the numbers into your equation and see. The latencies are a flaw of its execution, and a major weakness of this generation, not a part of the bulldozer design. The longer pipeline IS a part of the design, and is not an inherent problem.
If they were to scrap their roadmap and future Piledriver/Steamroller based products, it would be a DISASTER for AMD. They would be out of the market in no time. You can't make a new competing core come out of thin air.
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Going from 4.8 to 5.3 would be a ~10% difference. That's pretty significant if you ask me.
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Oh look, it's Intel fanboy thread #10000. Seriously, if you didn't realize that an 8-core that cost sub-$350 would be slower in single-threaded than a $230 quad-core, I can't help you. If you're disappointed that the FX-6100 is slower than the 1100T, that's reasonable. But what did you really expect, going from 1 core = 1 ALU, 1 FPU; to 1 module/2 cores = 2 ALUs, 1 FPU? Just grow up, get over it, go with Intel if you want higher single-threaded performance, go with AMD if you want higher multi-threaded performance. Or spend $600 on an Intel 6-core.
And also, it is something to consider. How innovative was Intel in the past ~10 years, really? AMD made the first 64-bit CPU, first dual-core on one die, first quad on one die, technically Intel got the first "APU" to market, although AMD has the first netbook APU, first 35W laptop quad, DX11 integrated graphics. Not to mention they had the first IMC, had a much better system than the FSB (HTT) , which Intel is now mimmicking. You can still OC any of AMD's desktop CPU's - the cheapest Intel CPU that can OC more than 200mhz has a $230 MSRP. AMD had unlocked multi's on midrange dual-cores since before Intel made any sort of OCing some luxury feature. But continue praising Intel for holding back their performance. I'm sure they love people falling for $120 dual-cores that are barely faster than overclocked C2D's.

Well said.

If it wasn't for AMD, we would probably been stuck netburst for till 2010. Intel had no plans to ditch netburst until after AMD came out with their Athlon 64 series that destroyed the P4. If Intel had their way with 64 bit, we would have had to ditch X86 completely to itanium since Intel only had plans to support 64 bit with itanium.

I'm glad AMD picked up a slight market share increase. I hope piledriver does fix all their issues. I would ditch Intel in a heart beat for AMD again. Miss my old 4800+....
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Did ANY of you fanboys read the article? AMD GAINED marketshare. End of thread. Go find another thread to bash Bulldozer. You people!
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That doesn't mean people can't argue about why and how AMD gained market share.
    
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Going from 4.8 to 5.3 would be a ~10% difference. That's pretty significant if you ask me.

If Bulldozer did 5.3 every day it'd be just fine. 4.8 to 5.3 would net alot more than 10% performance depending on benchmark or application.

Piledriver enhancements + 5.3 all day will bring a competitive CPU in many fronts. This design still has some drawbacks, but it will get better.

OT- Good for AMD. Hopefully this will be a continued trend; And it will be... With Trinity deals, Console deals, AMD is going to finally make some notable profit.
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Did ANY of you fanboys read the article? AMD GAINED marketshare. End of thread. Go find another thread to bash Bulldozer. You people!

I'm willing to bet the gains came from Llano, not Bulldozer. ( 1st post in this thread wink.gif )
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Well said.
If it wasn't for AMD, we would probably been stuck netburst for till 2010. Intel had no plans to ditch netburst until after AMD came out with their Athlon 64 series that destroyed the P4. If Intel had their way with 64 bit, we would have had to ditch X86 completely to itanium since Intel only had plans to support 64 bit with itanium.
I'm glad AMD picked up a slight market share increase. I hope piledriver does fix all their issues. I would ditch Intel in a heart beat for AMD again. Miss my old 4800+....

It will be a while before AMD will have another crack at a good architecture. Hopefully Piledriver & Trinity will be better then Phenom II. It will without a doubt take a very long time before AMD can catch up with Intel in the CPU manufacturing process. I honestly don't see AMD making a comeback with a high end CPU anytime soon. Instead I think AMD reverted all of their resources to their APU's, it wont take long for them to completely combine the power of a discrete card and good CPU. Sure it wont crunch numbers as fast as Intel's or get as high frame rates verses Intel and a discrete graphics card. But in the low cost gaming consumer market it will sell like hot cakes, along with being the heart of some of the most powerful low cost gaming laptops. Their purchase of ATI a while back is really saving their rear ends right now. And that purchase is a egg waiting to hatch, the Llano lineup was just wood on the fire. By the time Kaveri rolls around, that egg will be ready to hatch. AMD knows they cant beat Intel this time around, so they switched their game up to beat Intel in another way (APU).
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Well - the faildozer released at the end of year so it probably did not manage to hurt them that much in 2011. They were in general better bang-for-buck than Intel with their Phenom II line.
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