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We like AMD because their the underdog. We all like to see the underdog succeed. As it is though, we still buy Intel because of the better performance margin.
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A small gain is still better than a loss.

Edit: inb4 "thanks captain obvious"
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I hope the second gen BD chip will have all the fixes
 
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Intel's market share is so high that people optimize their programs for Intel CPU's only. With Bulldozer there were basically NO programs that were designed to run well on it and it's new instruction set. If the next generation of consoles are running on AMD CPU's that means that games will be coded to run well on them, which should translate to console ports being coded to run well on AMD CPUs.
When games are running better on AMD cpu's instead of Intel because of how they are coded, AMD will gain more marketshare.

What? What does market share have to do with people being paid to optimize their program for a certain architecture or brand? None. It is completely AMD's advertising and marketing departments fault that they did not decide to dip in the cash to do that. It is also AMD's fault that they didn't work with other companies to get that instruction set implemented into programs faster. The next generation of consoles is actually good for AMD, and will garner even more market share for them. I don't think you understand console and pc games either. When games are finished being optimized for consoles, they usually don't turn around and use that as the platform for pc, and optimize from there. They usually start from the ground up with the game. So even if AMD has parts in consoles, that doesn't mean their processor's will be more optimized for pc games.
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Did you look at the 1st link thoroughly? There is can be appreciable gains in performance just by changing the Vendor ID of the Nano from VIA to Intel.

So you want us to believe that Intel is crippling AMD processors because they managed to change the manufacturer's ID of VIA, to Intel? Show me the same gains with AMD processors, then maybe you'll have an argument. So far, its just conjecture. Intel compilers work just as well on AMD processors because they share instruction sets, however implementation are different.
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What? What does market share have to do with people being paid to optimize their program for a certain architecture or brand? None. It is completely AMD's advertising and marketing departments fault that they did not decide to dip in the cash to do that. It is also AMD's fault that they didn't work with other companies to get that instruction set implemented into programs faster. The next generation of consoles is actually good for AMD, and will garner even more market share for them. I don't think you understand console and pc games either. When games are finished being optimized for consoles, they usually don't turn around and use that as the platform for pc, and optimize from there. They usually start from the ground up with the game. So even if AMD has parts in consoles, that doesn't mean their processor's will be more optimized for pc games.

There is potential for AMD's new architecture in various ways, but I know that doesn't mean that it will ever come to fruition in anything other then their APU's.
    
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So you want us to believe that Intel is crippling AMD processors because they managed to change the manufacturer's ID of VIA, to Intel? Show me the same gains with AMD processors, then maybe you'll have an argument. So far, its just conjecture. Intel compilers work just as well on AMD processors because they share instruction sets, however implementation are different.

To be fair, there were performance gains simply by tricking it into thinking it was an Intel CPU. That pretty much says it all, doesn't it?
    
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Hope they do better in 2012 with Trinity and Steamroller
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Hope they do better in 2012 with Trinity and Steamroller

If Trinity can beat out Phenom II clock for clock. Then with the high expected clock speeds of trinity chips im sure AMD will sell a lot of APU's this year. As we already know the graphics expectations will deliver.
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What what percentage of gamers will be CPU limited by an FX cpu at 1080p? What, 1 out of 300 games? 1 our of 10,000 gamers who are running the 79** series?
If you did any 3d rendering on linux you would know that Bulldozer offers more performance per dollar then Intel's offerings do.
You're simply arguing about a bunch of unimportant meaningless crap while having absolutely no grasp on the market as a whole.

You know even though I don't agree with your opinion I've still been respectful. After all, it's just a friendly conversation - nothing person about it at all. You on the other hand have been rude to everyone on this thread. What's amazing is how someone manages to be so clueless yet so condescending at the same time.

1) You made the argument that BD was designed for APU's anyways. How can BD be intended for APU's when it's power consumption goes through the roof at higher speeds? Nothing about Bulldozer even resembles an APU. Llano on the other hand...

2) You just mentioned Linux performance and market share at the same time. How many people do you honestly think use BD for Linux encoding purposes? How many pre-built computers actually shipped with the FX-8150? That chip has limited market share to begin with. Which brings me to this point...

3) We were talking architecture - not one specific chip. When you have a successful architecture all chips from top to bottom perform well - not just the flagship that's $50-$75 than the chips you're comparing it to.You keep saying it's more than just gaming - so why did AMD market this chip heavily toward the gaming community? The only programs BD excel in are Linux ones that benefit from more cores. When you compare apples to apples BD loses every time. Try the FX-4100 against the 2500k and Phenom II 965 and Bulldozer gets killed.

4) Again, you don't spend $260 for an enthusiast chip just to play Bejeweled. What percentage of gamers? Well considering all new games are bottlenecked it's safe to say they aren't satisfying their targeted audience. The fact that their flagship CPU is nowhere near supporting their GPU is a disgrace - especially when AMD has spend this much time advertising Dragon Platform/Gaming Evolved brand.

Trolls like you always tend to get the conversation off topic by making asinine remarks. I'm pleasantly surprised AMD managed to game market share despite the reputation hit they took.
    
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