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There is a huge difference between not liking an ending and being led to believe things about an ending.

If you read the interviews with Bioware employees, about what the ending will cover and then play to and watch the ending, you will realize the huge amount of false information that was spread before release.
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This is getting out of hand. I read last night on the Mass Effect FB page that they are continuing to read and evaluate customer feed back concerning the ending....

What happens if they patch the game with a different ending and those who have not beaten it yet miss out on it. I have not beaten it yet...
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“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How
could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and
then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t
say any more than that…”

It's not extreme, they clearly did not deliver on this statement as ME3 only has a single ending.

There's no reason they couldn't have multiple endings like the previous games and still wrap up the story in each of them.

I'm sure we will see plenty DLC to remedy this though. Maybe 1 or 2 different endings, 10$ each. Wouldn't be out of the ordinary.
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“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How
could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and
then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t
say any more than that…”
It's not extreme, they clearly did not deliver on this statement as ME3 only has a single ending.
There's no reason they couldn't have multiple endings like the previous games and still wrap up the story in each of them.
I'm sure we will see plenty DLC to remedy this though. Maybe 1 or 2 different endings, 10$ each. Wouldn't be out of the ordinary.

Having never played the game, I thought I read that ME3 does, in fact, have different endings as part of the core game. Are there not different ways things play out, however similar the player might think them to be?
    
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Originally Posted by WarMacheen View Post

There is a huge difference between not liking an ending and being led to believe things about an ending.
If you read the interviews with Bioware employees, about what the ending will cover and then play to and watch the ending, you will realize the huge amount of false information that was spread before release.

Talking about what a game will have in it, in interviews, is not legally binding.

So many gamers complain about how little information they are given about games, and then now they're taking information they were given and using it to sue. All kinds of companies will talk about their work-in-progress, and how they think the game might turn out in the end, or features in the game. And those features can, and WILL change before the game is launched.

Suing BioWare for an ending that is different than advertised is like suing a movie studio for having stuff in the trailer that isn't exactly in the movie (which happens all the time). ME3 could have shipped with a big "To Be Continued..." at the end of the game, and nothing more, and there would still be no legal ground for this guy to stand on. Does it suck? Yes. Is it legal? Yes. Is it idiotic to sue a company because your entertainment product did not have the advertised ending? Yes.

The solution to something like this is simple, stop buying EA/BioWare products if you don't like their products.
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post #66 of 128
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Originally Posted by lordikon View Post

The solution to something like this is simple, stop buying EA/BioWare products if you don't like their products.
What kind of solution is this? After the first two extremely good installments, we're just supposed to predict how terribly the 3rd one would end and not buy it?
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Originally Posted by Tippy View Post

What kind of solution is this? After the first two extremely good installments, we're just supposed to predict how terribly the 3rd one would end and not buy it?

Wait for game reviews, ask friends if it's worth the money. Early adopters take the risk of buying something that may suck, this isn't anything new.
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Talking about what a game will have in it, in interviews, is not legally binding.
So many gamers complain about how little information they are given about games, and then now they're taking information they were given and using it to sue. All kinds of companies will talk about their work-in-progress, and how they think the game might turn out in the end, or features in the game. And those features can, and WILL change before the game is launched.
Suing BioWare for an ending that is different than advertised is like suing a movie studio for having stuff in the trailer that isn't exactly in the movie (which happens all the time). ME3 could have shipped with a big "To Be Continued..." at the end of the game, and nothing more, and there would still be no legal ground for this guy to stand on. Does it suck? Yes. Is it legal? Yes. Is it idiotic to sue a company because your entertainment product did not have the advertised ending? Yes.
The solution to something like this is simple, stop buying EA/BioWare products if you don't like their products.

The thing is, I understand the quotes they made in say April 2011 about alternate endings and how things may change. They were saying that bull crap up until launch however, which is definitely not the same as saying something might change.
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If you advertise a feature and it's not there, well, you did break your word. You don't have to begin with "I promisse...".
Mass effect is a PRODUCT, it's a relationship between consumers and a big enterprise/corporation (my English still sucks). It's a NERDY product, so the problems will happen with nerds.
And it was not about not liking the end... it was about false advertisement. If they didn't like the ending, but the choices they made on previous games did lead them to said ending, they would have to shut up. That was NOT the case.
Also:
Never did. I just said Law regulates society as a whole, not just essential subjects.

Interviews about a product are NOT product advertisement.
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They did NOT deliver. Where are the consequences of the choices made on other games?
I guess you didn't play the game if you're asking this question.....what consequences are there from previous ME's? Well lets see Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
These are the one that I know of. I'm sure there's a bit more

- ANY and EVERY main character outside of Liara could have died in ME 2
- You could have Kaiden instead of Ashley or vice versa
- You could be forced to kill Wrex if you try to fake the cure, you could save Mordin, you could have destroyed the genophage work, causing the female to die and the clans to not give as much help.
- Any relationship you had before can be carried over, but with Miranda, Jack and Tali you have to have started it in ME 2
- You may not have allied with Legion or Tali may have been kicked out of the Flotilla, causing one or both parties to give you reduced help. Without Legion, the Geth won't be upgraded to have individual personalities
- You may have killed off the Rachini queen in ME 1 causing the Rachini to be unrecruitable. In ME 3 you have a choice between Grunts team or the Rachini queen
- Not recruiting Katsumi in ME 2 will cause the Hanar defense systems to get hacked by an indoctrinated Hanar.
- a few backstories come to an end, like the poetry writing Krogan you meet in ME 2 that dies in ME 3.
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There you go offending people on OCN without any reason to do so. I could turn this around:" the game is ready, qq more if you don't like it."
Frankly, THIS is simplistic imo.
LoL more feigning outrage. If you're offended by the truth, so be it.
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Outrage is far too strong a word. I think they have a valid point. And I have no need to feign anyhting at all.
I'm sorry if we "new guys" stand by our ideas... I'm sorry (not really) too they differ from yours. Btw, I tire of your complains about my complaining as much as you tire about my complains. How about... well... don't read a thread that is OBVIOUSLY about complaints?
Don't twist the point. It has nothing to do with 'standing by your ideas', it has to do with how often and easily you new guys get your panties in a bunch and go report to a mod. It has to do with how easily the new guys pretend that their feelings were hurt during a casual argument.

Hell i mean look at our conversation. Never once did I direct any insults at you and here you are, pretending your feelings were hurt. I jokingly called the people who started this a bunch of neckbeards and here you are pretending that your feelings were hurt. Man up.

I think that's the main difference with many of the new OCN members. Older members can take a joke at their expense and fire back or give attitude back. Newer members curl in a fetal ball, cry to a mod and tell you their feelings were hurt.
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They may lose, doesn't mean they're wrong.
Anyways, I just wanted to see more respect to other people's opinions. I wanted to see a place where could vent off about videogames (videogame forums, duh). Not going to happen. You guys feel free to argue away. As my final participation, I approve the initiative, whatever the outcome. I don't want to see this discusion going downhill. biggrin.gif
-Pax.

It's not about an opinion, it's about how ridiculous the FTC complaint is because the game didn't go as they wanted. Nothing about it is respectable or worth respecting.


Now i will say one thing, while I don't condone of all this whining and FTC filing, those of us who love Mass Effect WILL benefit because that means they will have pressure on them to produce a quality packed, closure DLC for free. If you look at some of the ideas floating around it seems like they already planned it and they may have purposely trolled us from the beginning. Who knows.
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Having never played the game, I thought I read that ME3 does, in fact, have different endings as part of the core game. Are there not different ways things play out, however similar the player might think them to be?

Obviously there are different ways to get there, but the ending is the same. Why do you think people are making a big deal about it? Maybe you should continue your reading.
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