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What? So your admiting here that the full game is not available right now and that we are paying for an incomplete experience. This is the very essence of every single one of my comments regarding ME3, and here you are backing me up. ME3 is an incomplete experience that will be completed with DLC, ME3 as a game is a platform for DLC. Those subtle hints you talk about, those are hints for upcoming DLC, which will not be free.
It was a complete experience to me. You have no credibility on the matter anyways.

How about you stop assuming, stop whining and just see what happens?

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You seem to be spending an awful lot of time defending their game for how much you say you hate them for the above reasons.

More random assumption and hypocrisy.
You trash the game as much as I defend it but you haven't even played it.
Where do you see me defending EA? I defend the game, not the publisher behind the dev behind the game.

This is the reason why i asked for you age last time we argued. Your level of reasoning and the arguments you put together suggest you're maybe 16.
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If ME3 was a worthwhile game you would be playing it instead of having to defend it constantly on a forum.

That's an ignorant and assumptive post. I have a job, a kid and responsibilities that don't always let me play. Typing in a few sentences can be done from a phone or a work computer whereas my job or my phone aren't letting me dL a 10 GB game anytime soon

I've played it through twice now and played something like 10-15 hrs on the multiplayer.
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On top of all the third hand experience I am also a long time fan of the series and have invested my time and money into ME1 and ME2. Playing the ME3 demo would also be considered first hand experience in my books.
So like i said before, you're basing all your bashing off of 3rd hand heresay. I could understand if you were more rational or moderate in your tone but you're not.
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Let's not go down the "I'm refusing to explain why I don't like the game" crap, if you know how to read then you should be able to figure that out.
Because you don't have a real reason to hate the game, only what people have told you. I fell into that trap too once with Crysis but I bought it and found the game to be much more fun than most people had described. Either way, you can stop trying to pretend you know what you're talking about with ME 3. You don't.

So stop with the red herring and answer the question.
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Like I already said, you can't go around telling people to watch DLC on youtube to experience it one moment and then tell someone that third hand experience is not relevant the next. Thats the very defenition of "hypocrite." If you don't want to be a hypocrite then I suggest you stop doing this.
Yet another example of your lack of rational and logical thinking. Let me spell it out for you so that way you can't bring this up anymore

  1. You originally complained that the DLC in ME 2 was crucial to the understanding of some of the plot developments. You argued that you were being forced to pay to keep up with the story.
  2. You then literally flip-flopped and complained about DLC that DIDN'T have relevant plot updates as corporate money-grabs.
  3. I recommended that you go to YouTube to view the major plot updates from the ME 2 DLC.
  4. I was NOT recommending YouTube to see how the game handles and feels ( which you should know already b/c the DLC doesn't change anything )
  5. I was NOT recommending YouTube to provide you with 3rd hand experience that you might critique from.

Seriously how do you not understand this?
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Well, no. Actually that's not even close to what I said. You're the one who needs to work on your reading comprehension. For the sake of the uninformed I will reitterate what I said:
ME3 is a DLC platform, it is a game designed to make money from planned DLC. This is different from other publishers who make money from releasing content complete games and then making expantion packs after the fact. The game you buy is not complete. You say I don't understand game development? I say that argument not valid on multiple fronts, least of which are all the other publishers and developers who don't rely on planned DLC and who don't release sub-par games, or lie to their customers.
I never even came close to claiming that DLC does NOT forward the plot, that's what it is designed to do and that's part of buying into the EA/Bioware business model of playing games. Want the rest of the plot? Pay money for DLC because if you expect a complete game your an entitled PC elitist.

Too much assumption on your part for me to even begin with a rebuttal.
I'll just basically say that most of your posts seem to be based on logical fallacy. When you were arguing against Lordikon you basically said "Some game developers don't do Day 1 DLC so that says it's not necessary." Which is a fallacy of generalization and affirming the consequent. You don't seem to understand the concept of multiple variables or you never would have made that post.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1226371/blogger-day-one-disappointment-where-does-dlc-come-from/160#post_16687133

So i guess i was right earlier and really did make your own blog post into a news thread here.
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While I agree that some fans are taking this to the extreme, they still make very valid points. A company, regardless if it is a video game or not, made exact and precise definitions on what the product would entail, and upon production, did not include any of it. Frankly I think we should give more power to them for sticking up for something they care strongly about. I just wish more people who create an uproar when the government destroys our rights.

Most don't want their last remaining rights, that's why. They would rather be dominated by a corporate elite with a pretense of freedom than do something other than be a clicktivist. When these people see others standing up for their rights, whether it be a game, anti-war demonstration or OWS you will see a lot of resentment and hate. There're very few people who want to know the truth, most would rather continue believing lies for lies are easier to accept (not much thought is required whent he thinking is done for you).
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Anyone calling this idiotic is the idiot. I've read this claim and it's rock solid. People SHOULD be allowed to vote with their wallets and that's what's happening.
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so basically to get the best ending, youre forced to grind multiplayer? what if people dont have an internet connection, or they dont want to play MP? and if you dont play MP, youre supposed to grind for forever to get enough war assets. This is dumb. why not a ME2 system, if you get people loyal you get a great ending. if not, you get a bad ending.

Sorry bud but SOMEONE somewhere was bound to get the short end of the stick. Most people disliked the grinding for minerals in the Mako in ME 1. Most people disliked grinding with planet scanning in ME 2. Some people disliked the loyalty missions in ME 2 as well. They tried to make it a more fun system by including multiplayer.
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Anyone calling this idiotic is the idiot. I've read this claim and it's rock solid. People SHOULD be allowed to vote with their wallets and that's what's happening.

I never knew that filing a FTC complaint was voting with your wallet, but ok.
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Most don't want their last remaining rights, that's why. They would rather be dominated by a corporate elite with a pretense of freedom than do something other than be a clicktivist. When these people see others standing up for their rights, whether it be a game, anti-war demonstration or OWS you will see a lot of resentment and hate. There're very few people who want to know the truth, most would rather continue believing lies for lies are easier to accept (not much thought is required whent he thinking is done for you).

LOL, 1st world problems. Fighting a disappointing end to a game is in no way close to the others you mentioned. That's some impressive troll logic.
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The ending is not that bad and you don't need MP. Two modifications with gibbed and you get the best moral ending.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

First and foremost, anyone is welcome to dislike my opinion and others. I am also part of the group who wanted a super Ending where I take Tali back on Rannoch and park the Normandy outside her window. Given that there was a larger picture I will share my view why I think synthesis is the right ending for me.

The games reflect the constant struggle between machines and organics. ME1 establishes that the Quarians are at war with the Geth and that there is a huge danger of someone getting wiped out. To complement this, the races in the universe have reached their evolutionary peak and someone takes notice. Consequently, the Reapers are setting up to intervene. The 'evolution through destruction dogma' is not new and has been present throughout the literature for quite some time. What are the Reapers? The most advanced machines that have ever existed targeting organic races. Up until ME3 we think the Reapers are a means of destruction but the final moments of ME3 show us that they are only the tool and not the architect behind the scene.



Coming back to Mass Effect 2, the struggle between synthetics and organics is taken to the next level and you as the main character realise that there needs to be a way for them to coexist in peace. You see the huge potential in the Geth and the possible advantages of a cease fire between the quarians and the Geth. It will not only end a feud that has lasted for so long but also show that synthetics and organics can co-exist without war.

The synthesis ending sorts out this issue elegantly by eliminating completely the need for organics to create machines that will someday exceed their original parameters. Creating these new beings strenghtens the bond between organics and machines, ends the cycle completely and wraps up a storlyline that spanned over three games.


A small note to BioWare about this ending:

1. I had Tali and EDI with me in the final push so how can they be on the ship with Joker?
2. The Normandy was on the front line and in the Sol system. How did it end in a completely different system and crash land ?


Both of the above do not make sense at all.

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I never knew that filing a FTC complaint was voting with your wallet, but ok.
LOL, 1st world problems. Fighting a disappointing end to a game is in no way close to the others you mentioned. That's some impressive troll logic.

Has calling someone you disagree with a troll replaced name calling?

Either way these people are standing up for their customer rights. Bioware led them believe many things they didn't deliver on. If this were a TV and many claims were made about how great it was then turned out to be blatant lies or exaggerations some people (there're still many who take the side of corporations over anything) would accept that these people have a legitimate complaint. However, because this is the software industry and this is just the way it has worked for a long time, very few are willing to stand up to injustice, lies and exaggerations.
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There're seven different endings which all have a lot in common.

Pretending this means anything other than that they're all the same is delusional but this twisting of words is common. Just because you accept it doesn't mean others should. Also nobody said that the FTC, which is nothing more than the extension of corporate power, is actually going to do anything because they're not but that's not the point, the point is to show these corporations not everyone is willing to bend over for them.
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[*] You originally complained that the DLC in ME 2 was crucial to the understanding of some of the plot developments. You argued that you were being forced to pay to keep up with the story.
Why are you stating the obvious? This is what I have always been saying.
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[*] You then literally flip-flopped and complained about DLC that DIDN'T have relevant plot updates as corporate money-grabs.
No, this is not correct in any way. I never said this, ever. I said they were corporates money grabs regardless.
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[*] I recommended that you go to YouTube to view the major plot updates from the ME 2 DLC.

Yes you did.
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[*] I was NOT recommending YouTube to see how the game handles and feels ( which you should know already b/c the DLC doesn't change anything )

Your pulling things out of the air now, you told me to watch youtube instead of playing a DLC. For a game like ME2 which is an RPG there would be no point replaying it after having the entire plot spoiled.
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[*] I was NOT recommending YouTube to provide you with 3rd hand experience that you might critique from.

So I can't critique youtube videos? Why not? I'll critique youtube videos as much as I please. Right along with all the other sources such as my playthroughs of ME1, ME2 and the ME3 demo. But I certainly will not waste my money on such a crappy game.

I'm not even going to bother reading the rest of your useless fanboy rant, it's clear you are in love with EA and Bioware. You're the one with zero credibility.

Here you go:
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Cons:
1. The animation: heads were twisted around, eyes were looking in the wrong direction, bodies randomly warped a few feet across the screen, gestures were unnatural, and any time that characters had to touch, they sort of made a box with their arms and jerked sideways against each other. It wasn't in the least bit polished.
2. Combat. The system itself was fine. But sometimes enemies were supposed to spawn, and they didn't, which means the story doesn't progress, which means you have to reload the last save.
3. The "exploration" was, in my option, more tedious than ME2's mineral mining. That's pretty bad. When the best way to find resources turns out to be finding one--two if you're lucky, getting eaten by a Reaper, then reloading the save to be able to find them faster and not be eaten by a Reaper before finding a 3rd area of interest, then rushing out of a solar system, it's a problem.
4. Dialogue options were often non-existent. Instead of being able to open up dialogue options with characters and choosing your answer, many times you either overheard random NPCs complaining about something (which opened a quest) or you clicked on squad-mates and carried out scripted dialogue without face-to-face interaction.
5. The game was short. Granted, 30 hours isn't bad, but ME1 took me 60 hours on my first play-through, and with ME2, I finally shaved down to 30 after I played though it a few times, skipped dialogue options, and cut corners with combat/quests at every opportunity. ME3 shouldn't have been 30 hours with full dialogue and taking time to search every nook and cranny in every room for upgrades.
6. There were hardly any mini-quests. What used to be a "mini-quest" now is scanning a solar system, dodging trumpeting Reapers (see above), and throwing a probe onto a planet.
7. The quest tracking system was non-existent. Might as well not have had it. It didn't note anything but that a quest existed and that a quest was finished. Nothing on if you'd picked up an item already or where, exactly, that person you needed to speak to was.
8. None the upgrading you do has visible value. You never really see alien races battling the Reapers using resources you've allocated--and, coincidentally, the resources you allocate don't impact their fates at all. And, unlike ME2, you only see a few seconds worth of material on squad-mates in the final battle. Oh, and you don't make any decisions impacts where they go or what they do. For being the "savior of humanity", Shepard doesn't get any say on what happens during the entire climax of the game.
9. Previous decisions have no significant impact on the ending.
10. The ending. It was a 10 minute cut scene (with 2 minutes of that walking down a hallway) with maybe 2 dialogue options and no action. Then, once the decision is made, it's a 2 minute cut scene that is the same for whatever you choose. Let me clarify: this cut-scene doesn't change dependent upon your previous decisions. So not only was there no reason to fly around and gather up materials and make people behave and get along; there was no reason to even put effort into making the last decision. And, worst of all, there is no closure--not for Shepard, the squad-mates, or the status of the universe.
11. The writing: of the overriding plot (not the ending, as there was no writing for the ending). It was atrocious.

This, in addition to ME3 being a DLC platform is why it is a bad game. If ME3 was a good game obviously you would have something more important to do than endlessly defend your beloved EA and Bioware.
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Whilst not totally disappointed I will join the ME3 change ending campaign. Who knows maybe more people will actually get this changed. thumb.gif
 
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Just when I thought I'd...
You know, we aren't going to hell. Hell has come here. We witness it every day. And we know who it is. His name is "ME" me me me. Self centered, narcissistic, ADHD, Ridalin prescribed idiots will screw us all over in the end.
Nevermind, I'll get myself worked up over some nonsense like this. This will cause me to start drinking again. Where's the bottle!? drunken.gif

watchu got against ADHD huh Mr. Perfect?

Fairly Large % of Humans have ADD or ADHD ~ just smoke some herb and relax


I think this is a good thing, Companies need to not lie about things, its just wrong.
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watchu got against ADHD huh Mr. Perfect?
Fairly Large % of Humans have ADD or ADHD ~ just smoke some herb and relax
I think this is a good thing, Companies need to not lie about things, its just wrong.

Agreed, if Bioware wants to save it's falling reputation, they better give the customers what they promised, if not then they wont have any future customers.
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