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If you knew a little about history, you'd realise that Apple(more specifically Steve Jobs) has contributed more to society than anyother company. Microsoft litterlly milked on every success Apple has had. Macintosh, Microsoft comes out with a lame of a an obvious knokoff called Windows. It's because of Apple that we have GUI It's because of Apple that we have smartphones that don't suck. It's because of Apple that we have high capacity mp3 players. It's because of Apple that tablets have become mainstream.

lol, and people think I spew propaganda. This kind of thinking is exactly why Apple is a harm to society. Not to mention supporting Apple is equivalent to supporting censorship.
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33 shares of Apple stock...or a 20k down payment on a home.
tough decisions.
But at least the 33 shares will net you a hefty sum of $87.45

You are comparing apples-to-oranges.... and there are so many flaws with your comparison.

You are comparing an equity investment to an initial payment of a home purchase.

Each share is full ownership of that percentage of a company. A down payment is the upfront payment on a mortgage to own a home. Note that you do not actually own the home until you pay the bank in full.... AND there is additional value of the home as a place to live.


A better comparison along your lines would be a 33 shares of Apple stock... or a 20K investment into a group of people pooling their money for the outright purchase of a house.

The decision then becomes... which will make more money over time?

The value of the stock is stock price change + dividends - tax of dividends - tax at time of sale - transaction fees.
The value of the house is housing price change + rent - property taxes - tax at time of sale - upkeep.
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Shouldn't do. The company is devalued by the amount of cash it expends to buy back the shares, so the value of each individual share should in theory remain the same or at least very similar. Any small rise is usually down to supply and demand as there are a lower number of outstanding shares left for others to buy. The only real benefit to shareholders comes in the form of increased voting power.

stock buy backs usually signal management confidence in future growth (which using means positive outlook for the future).
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stock buy backs usually signal management confidence in future growth (which using means positive outlook for the future).

Or that management wants to project confidence when there is a complete lack of it. It's gambling anyway you look at it.
    
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Shouldn't do. The company is devalued by the amount of cash it expends to buy back the shares, so the value of each individual share should in theory remain the same or at least very similar. Any small rise is usually down to supply and demand as there are a lower number of outstanding shares left for others to buy. The only real benefit to shareholders comes in the form of increased voting power.
That value of the cash is at market rate though.... investors believe they can do better than that.


Instead of sitting in Apple's accounts earning x percentage, investors rather have Apple give them the money to invest themselves.

Also, buybacks should confidence of future performance.
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You are comparing apples-to-oranges.... and there are so many flaws with your comparison.
You are comparing an equity investment to an initial payment of a home purchase.
Each share is full ownership of that percentage of a company. A down payment is the upfront payment on a mortgage to own a home. Note that you do not actually own the home until you pay the bank in full.... AND there is additional value of the home as a place to live.
A better comparison along your lines would be a 33 shares of Apple stock... or a 20K investment into a group of people pooling their money for the outright purchase of a house.
The decision then becomes... which will make more money over time?
The value of the stock is stock price change + dividends - tax of dividends - tax at time of sale - transaction fees.
The value of the house is housing price change + rent - property taxes - tax at time of sale - upkeep.


You completely missed my point.

and the answer to your next question is no.
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lol, and people think I spew propaganda. This kind of thinking is exactly why Apple is a harm to society. Not to mention supporting Apple is equivalent to supporting censorship.

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What on earth are you on about? Apple make some nice products and if you knew anything about the tech industry (which you don't), you would know that they spend tons of resources on R&D.

They may not have invented the wheel, but they made products which were in the nerd-realm accessible to the general public. They have made fantastic technology easily available to the every-day person.

I honestly don't understand why people are so passionate about hating a tech company so much?! kookoo.gif

Seriously, chill out.
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We would be committing suicide if we did not judge a corporation based on it's value to humanity. It is the only way we can make capitalism work.
No. Not at all. Capitalism functions by the individual determining what is best for himself and corporations determining what is best for corporations. What you describe sounds much more like socialism/communism.

Why the hell is OCN seemingly so socialist? Why do people have so much anger against companies that produce products that the masses enjoy using? I really need to find a tech forum that is more capitalist-oriented. This ignorant bashing of companies is so tiring.
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You completely missed my point.
and the answer to your next question is no.

What was your point?
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No. Not at all. Capitalism functions by the individual determining what is best for himself and corporations determining what is best for corporations. What you describe sounds much more like socialism/communism.
Why the hell is OCN seemingly so socialist? Why do people have so much anger against companies that produce products that the masses enjoy using? I really need to find a tech forum that is more capitalist-oriented. This ignorant bashing of companies is so tiring.

People seem to assume since some larger corporations game the system all are bad. If people want to be angry at anything they need to be angry at big banking, the huge investment firms and the CDS ponzi scheme.
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