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Newsflash: the vast majority of disabled people are also poor, and will never be able to afford an iPad.

Newflash.... Tablet technology has gotten vastly cheaper since the iPad. There have been massive investments by a dozen hardware companies. Before the iPad, a tablet computer of decent performance cost over $700. Today, they cost around $200-250.

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Well, looks like it's time for this thread to get a clean up.

It's amazing how much politics seeps into EVERY thread.
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As a disabled person, who spends his time helping other disabled people. You're not only wrong, but also a jackass.

I think saying the vast majority of disabled people owning cars was definitely an overstatement but to say the vast majority of disabled individuals could never buy a device like this is just as wrong. There are tons of grants (although hard to get) for a family to help make improvements on the individuals life. My brothers school is beginning to slowly buy more and more ipads because they provide an easy way for children with impacted motor skills to interact, way easier than a crappy touch screen on a windows pc or a mouse.

I just think to ignore the contributions apple makes to their software for accessibility is ignorant. I will agree on the hardware front they do not do to much on innovating but their software is great. You also presume to know what that 2.5b a year is for. They may be spending 80% of that for a product that wont launch till 2017 and when it does it could blow our mind. You just don't know.

I would be very surprised if you could find a institution that works with disabled children/adults that did not like or appreciate apples approach to accessibility with their products.
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Why is it that every time I see a thread DuckieHo has posted in it reminds me of this comic?
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I completely understand that leverage is not a bad concept, I'm saying that the negative is how highly they were leveraged that even small market fluctuations could make them insolvent. That was my entire point that banks became so over leveraged that they had no possible way to pay back everything when the market went down. I realize there are differences between a true ponzi scheme like Madoff's and what occurred in the banking sector but the overall concept is very similar in my view at least. Ponzi schemes can seem fine and dandy too till enough people want their money, look how long Madoff had his going for. Lastly the bailout absolutely had to with the CDS's themselves. If CDS's never existed there is a very good chance these banks and firms would never have gotten leveraged to the point that they were so the banks would have had a far lower chance of becoming insolvent when the market went down.

The difference is that a Ponzi scheme generates nothing of value.
CDS provide insurance. Of course, when there is a big disaster, too many people may also file claims and it is the insurance company's responsibly to have enough capital.

If CDS never existed, the market would find a way...


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Why is it that every time I see a thread DuckieHo has posted in it reminds me of this comic?
Actually.... this happens weekly....redface.gif:o
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I think saying the vast majority of disabled people owning cars was definitely an overstatement but to say the vast majority of disabled individuals could never buy a device like this is just as wrong. There are tons of grants (although hard to get) for a family to help make improvements on the individuals life. My brothers school is beginning to slowly buy more and more ipads because they provide an easy way for children with impacted motor skills to interact, way easier than a crappy touch screen on a windows pc or a mouse.
I just think to ignore the contributions apple makes to their software for accessibility is ignorant. I will agree on the hardware front they do not do to much on innovating but their software is great. You also presume to know what that 2.5b a year is for. They may be spending 80% of that for a product that wont launch till 2017 and when it does it could blow our mind. You just don't know.
I would be very surprised if you could find a institution that works with disabled children/adults that did not like or appreciate apples approach to accessibility with their products.

If you look at the accessibility options for Windows vs. OSX or I.OS it's a joke. Microsoft has been helping disabled people work for a very long time, where as all you can say about apple is that there are a few Apps for Autistic children?

Also, it's not just that it is much to expensive for most disabled people, it's that it wouldn't really help most of them in any meaning full way. Of course that has more to do with disablement, and not the product.
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Actually.... this happens weekly....redface.gif:o

biggrin.gif But of course! Carry on.
 
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The difference is that a Ponzi scheme generates nothing of value.
CDS provide insurance. Of course, when there is a big disaster, too many people may also file claims and it is the insurance company's responsibly to have enough capital.
If CDS never existed, the market would find a way...
Actually.... this happens weekly....redface.gif:o

Better to correct people than let them carry on getting things wrong thumb.gif
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Better to correct people than let them carry on getting things wrong thumb.gif

Unless they're women you don't want to piss off. wink.gif
 
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The difference is that a Ponzi scheme generates nothing of value.
CDS provide insurance. Of course, when there is a big disaster, too many people may also file claims and it is the insurance company's responsibly to have enough capital.
If CDS never existed, the market would find a way...
Actually.... this happens weekly....redface.gif:o

True enough. Like I said I was using the word more from the monetary point of view. I realize there are some obvious differences between a true ponzi scheme, I just don't know of a better word to describe the action. You are absolutely right though, it was their responsibility to have the funds and obviously almost all the big banks shirked that responsibility which is the problem and my point.
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