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Originally Posted by icecosta View Post

I guys i´m the proud owner of one x6 1100T

http://valid.canardpc.com/2801233

And i have been using it with a Thermaltake frio, but recently do to hardware problems with the frio smile.gif (My bad ruined the cooler)
I had to change to another cooling solution the Thermalright true spirit 140.

Now my problem is i had to reset my bios to factory default a while ago, because the damaged frio wasn´t cooling the cpu properly at 4.0Ghz OC.

And now with the True spirit 140 with dual fans push and pull i´m getting pretty decent temps for this time of the year, prime 95 4H stable at 3.8Ghz Nb 2400Mhz with 1.38Vcore and NB/CPU 1.18v. My room temp is at 24º ( not too cold around hear)

While running prime the temps hit 54ºc for a litle while and then go back to 51ºc and it keeps doing this for the entire test run.

I´ve read in this forum that temps shouldn´t exceed 55ºc because above that chances where that it could give errors, in the past with the frio running prime at full load in this time of the year i had to reduce the OC from 4.0 to 3.8 Ghz and the temps would still hit the 60ºc (this while running prime).

My question to you guys is, should i try reach 4.0Ghz with the current temps?

Or it would be better to remain at 3.8Ghz?, i still can install another of the frio fans in the Haf932 doing intake ( i don´t like the frio fans they are extremely noisy, but at low rpm they are acceptable)

My current setup consists in a M5A97 Pro X6 1100T 4gb Gskill 1600Mhz cl9 1.5V

And i am running the OC with

Vcore offset mode 1.38v
Cpu LLC at medium
Cpu current capability at 110%
Cpu/nb current capability at 110%
Cpu/nb LLC at regular
Cpu/NB offset mode at 1.18V
VDDA at 2.5V
Cpu power Phase control at optimized
Spread spectrum off
Pcie express frequency at 100Mhz

Also possibly its worthy of knowing that in regular operation the temps do not go above 40º unless i´m using a stress test like prime 95.

Any ideas on how to improve the OC?
I will appreciate any help from you guys


This is what im after... the configs about OC... simple as that... people telling me what to do in the bios to achieve a good stable overclock with my 1100-T and how to activate my smart-fan thingy again. ^^
post #272 of 346
Well what´s your motherboard?

You can´t expect that the same oc config that works for me, works for you.

Oc is all about trial error, you should read first about the subject and after start a trial errors series of attemps until you find a stable OC, all we can do is point what you should or not do.

And you need to be extremely pacient, if you plan on archieve 4.0 for instance, don´t jump stages start a 3.4, 3.5, 3.6, 3.7, 3.8 etc and always start with the minimum Vcore that makes your system start, for example mine started at 1,28V at 3.4Ghz also disable turbo in bios and lock your Pcie frequency at 100Mhz ( since we are oc with the multiplier we don´t need this but i don´t like leaving things at auto) after that trial error trial error trial error

In asus motherboards what you call smar-fan is Qfan all you need to do for it to work is turn to enable in bios, but i don´t know what´s your board.
Edited by icecosta - 5/12/13 at 10:02am
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Asus m5a99x evo.

My brother came here today and did the update of the motherboard to the latest 2013... and also used the asus AI Suite II to do the overclocking im stable at 3.8 ghz.
post #274 of 346
In that case is Qfan almost certainly.

I don´t trust AI suite to do the overclock in most cases it ends up giving either to much voltage or less voltages, and you can never ever claim one OC is stable without proper tests, and by proper tests i mean for instance at least 12H prime 95 stable, and dispite that i´ve seen OC fail at 14H or 16H prime 95

If you want one overclock for 24/7 stable and without compromise the chip you need to learn about your cpu voltages and temperatures, and perform the overclock through the bios with the trial and error routine.

Never ever trust OC by software if you actually like your cpu, it ends up giving way to much voltage wich implies more heat and in the AI Suite case it actually changes DIGI+ options to levels you don´t need and that in the long term may end up proving them selfs letal to the cpu, for instance cpu load line calibration level.

There are people who recomend the use, others don´t.

I personally use it in low levels standard and medium but i don´t trust having that set to Higher levels it probably shoots eletric spikes way above what it should to the cpu but this is a educated guess, theres no solid proof it actually behaves that way the only tests available have a few years old and were performed in 45nm intel chips.(But in this tests that were performed with one oscilloscope, higher levels of LLC in older 45nm intel chips actually had the bad habit of spiking the chip with way to much vcore spikes to handle the Vdroop, and anyone claiming this are AMD chips not intel 45nm still doesn´t present solid proof that LLC in amd chips doesn´t do the same)

Still i don´t take the chances and AI suite does...

Besides that theres also other options in a Phenom II OC that gives you way better performance than simply raising Cpu multiplier, i´m talking about Cpu/NB frequency, overclocking the Cpu/NB frequency gives this Cpu another attitude.

It actually causes more gain in performance then most would guess and AI suite also doesn´t do that.
Edited by icecosta - 5/12/13 at 2:35pm
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post #275 of 346
icecosta,
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While running prime the temps hit 54ºc
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My question to you guys is, should i try reach 4.0Ghz with the current temps?

Is that your core temp?
here is a quote from the Senior Technology Director at AMD about temps.
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The Cpu temperature is read form a sensor embedded within the socket of your motherboard causing about a 7-10 Celsius variance form the actual Cpu temperature, which may be what you are reading about on the net.

You can use an application called AMD overdrive, that will allow you to monitor your temperatures accurately.

As long as your core temperature has not exceeded the high side of the 60 degree mark for extended periods of time you should be ok. 62 degrees holds a generous safety net to begin with.

According to him, you should be fine in the 50c range. To me though, that seems really high for a mild overclock like 3.8 @ 1.38v

Im running 4+ @ 1.475 and i never get close to 50c.
I would re-seat your cooler block, you might not have a good bond. When i first installed my 212 evo, i was running 40-50c, so i re-applied thermal paste and now my temps stay south of 40c.
post #276 of 346
No it´s not core temp it´s the CPU temperature

I really find core temp in this Cpu hard to believe it stays at 40ºc full load in prime 95

The cooler is well mounted and the thermal paste as well.

My problem with the temperature is the ambient temperature is hot about 24º in a cold day

Any way in your opinion if the core temps stay within 50º range it should be ok? Core temp right?

So just to be certain never to exceed 55ºc on the core temp ?

Are you guys certain the core temperature is reliable?

I´ve guiding my temperatures by the cpu temp if the core temp is reliable then i still have a lot of heat room ...
Edited by icecosta - 5/14/13 at 4:54am
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post #277 of 346
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I really find core temp in this Cpu hard to believe it stays at 40ºc full load in prime 95
@ 3.8 or even 4ghz, your not really pushing the limits of this proc that much.
some people get 3.8 at stock voltage and cooler.

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So just to be certain never to exceed 55ºc on the core temp ?

well, according to Alex Cromwell, Senior Technology Director, Advanced Micro Devices...
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As long as your core temperature has not exceeded the high side of the 60 degree mark for extended periods of time you should be ok. 62 degrees holds a generous safety net to begin with

He is referring to core temps.
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The core temperatures have an equational offset to determine temperature which equalizes at about 45 Celsius thus giving you more accurate readings at peak temperatures

also
Quote:
The Cpu temperature is read form a sensor embedded within the socket of your motherboard causing about a 7-10 Celsius variance form the actual Cpu temperature

Thats why i use AMD overdrive to monitor temps. Which according to Mr. Cromwell, "is more accurate"

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Any way in your opinion if the core temps stay within 50º range it should be ok? Core temp right?

Yes, I would say your safe.. check out this link on AMD's site for the 1100t.

http://products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopCPUDetail.aspx?id=726&f1=AMD+Phenom%E2%84%A2+II+X6+Black+&f2=1100T&f3=3300&f4=512&f5=AM3&f6=E0&f7=45nm+SOI&f8=125+W&f9=4000&f10=False&f11=True&f12=True

Notice the voltage and Temp (c) thumb.gif
You are well within the operational specs for the 1100t and you have plenty of room to push further.


I like to keep cool n quiet on with cpu boost enabled, because my proc will go from 800mhz to 4+ghz when needed when playing games, and i use asus evo to adjust the bus and vcore (only when i game, default settings while general computing).
4ghz is pretty easy with the 1100t and i will be using this proc even after i build a new system, so i want to keep degradation to a minimum.

here is a good link about degradation. voltage and heat related. its a good read.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2468/6
post #278 of 346
Thanks for the reply.
The thing that makes me confused with this chips it´s the temperature sensor, there´s in my case a diference of 14ºC between the cpu temp (socket temperature sensor) and core sensor (for what i understand about this temp it´s no sensor detection it´s a calculation. and this diference was always like this since i bought it new a couple of years ago)

Yes i´ve seen the explanation that Alex Cromwell gave about the temps, still it makes me confused that asus AI suite II starts sending alarms after socket temp goes above 62º. (with core temps way below)
Not that i trust AI Suite but makes me wonder what´s the proper temperature reading and i lose the will to push the OC further.

For example

I´m currently running with 4.0Ghz testing the OC for several hours running boinc on cpu.

Max temps are

Cpu temp or socket temp 57ºC (this was as hot as it runned all the night)
Core temp reached as maximum 43ºC

There´s a huge gap between the two temps

Obviously the socket temp can´t be accurate since the sensor is in the socket.

So yes the actuall temp should be lower than that, but why should a CPU manufacturer like AMD do things this way, i mean it´s almost like we have to guess our chip´s temperature, i like the chip itself but honestly i don´t like having to guess about temperatures and this was what AMD made us do with this chip, this was most likely my last AMD (cpu based) machine.

I´ve even considered upgrading to a FX8350 but it actually gives a small improve in performance so i will stick with the x6 1100T a couple of years more but next time i´m going intel at least their cpu´s report a more accurate reading on the core temps ( i´ve had a q95550 with a stuck sensor and it still reported better readings than this cpu)

Nothing against AMD but i like to sleep at night knowing that the CPU is chilly.

Let´s forget that for a moment now and talk about OC

Like i said above I´m currently testing at 4.0 Ghz

I was forced to raise Vcore offset to 1,45V in order to maintain stability
Also Had to raise LLC to High otherwise it would need more Vcore (LLC for what i´ve been reading it´s another no man´s land at least we can´t say it´s AMD fault smile.gif )

What do you say? keep it like that or lower LLC and continuing raising Vcore?

The rest of the specs remained the same

The temperatures as far as anyone can say appear to be within operational specs

And i still keep the Cool and quite running as well as C1 ( so far they appear not to be in the way at least so far)

But obviously it took a very big bump in Vcore to archieve stability at 4.0 so i´m actually wondering if it pays off to have it overclocked at this speed or at 3.8Ghz he reaches 3.8 with very good temps and low voltage

Ok after spending all night testing it just crashed , so i´ve upped vcore to 1.468v and started testing again....

Any help from you guys it´s alwawys welcome.

Thanks
Edited by icecosta - 5/15/13 at 2:05am
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post #279 of 346
yeah, AMD has a different philosophy about how temps are given. I think it has to do with the equalization around 45c, seems like anything under that does not matter, so when your start to push the temps, your accuracy improves. Makes sense.

As for the overclock, i set my vcore to 1.475, my bus to 217 and leave everything else on auto.
Some people say llc helps, some say it does not. depends on your board i guess.

I would go right to 1.475, AMD would not put that on their website if it was too high, which means you should be able to run 1.475 24/7

As for upgrades, intel or amd?

Im excited for hUMA

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/AMD-Details-hUMA-HSA-Action

I think my 1100t will bet me by until hUMA architecture is available.
post #280 of 346
3.7 Ghz here. Temps run at 28C idle 39C Max.

Asus V Formula board. I've tried almost everything and my cpu won't budge past 3.7 ghz.

I'm using an h100i water cooler. I feel like I'm not getting my money's worth passing at least 4 ghz
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