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So things have changed, and I now have a $700 budget, which... complicates things for me even more.
There's now a few 1080p plasmas that I can afford, but I'm still not sure if they're worth it. I've read of so many people complaining about image retention (not so much burn in) that it, frankly, scares me. I'm not sure if I want to deal with that, even though image retention is temporary.
Nevertheless, here are the TVs that have jumped out at me, based on what I've read (won't buy any of these on Amazon, just using it for link purposes):
JVC JLC42BC3000 42" 1080p LCD
LG 50PV450 50" 1080p plasma
Panasonic Viera TC-P42S30 42" 1080p plasma
LG 42LK520 42" 1080p LCD
Anything bad about any of those? Picture quality, burn in or image retention, sound quality, etc.
Also: what is this I keep reading about avoiding static images for the first 100-200 hours of a plasma? Seen a lot of people run some software for the first 100 hours or so. Am I just supposed to let it sit on for the first 100 hours running this stuff until it's broken in, so to speak?
Thanks for your help, guys. Been tremendously helpful so far.

I would listen to this guy and get a 1080p plasma. I have a friend who bought a 1080p 59 inch plasma for just under a grand last summer. It shouldent be hard to find one in the 40 inch range for cheaper.
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Plasma TVs are only good for motion media. All Plasma still have Burn In. Do not be fooled by people saying they do not have burn in issues. But, it should be noted that some high-end Plasma do a better job of minimizing burn in.
Do not go with a Plasma TV if you're going to have a PC hook-up to it. Non-high-end plasmas TVs have a higher failure rate than LCD TVs.
The JVC got good reviews, but not worth $659. I think if you keep looking you can find a better deal
The LG is not bad mid-range LCD TV, but I think if you keep looking you can find a better deal.
Getting a Plasma shipped! No! No!
I would avoid the Panasonic Plasma, it's junk and will fail!..
The LG Plasma seems like a nice TV, good size, and good reviews, but I still would not recommend a plasma for PC use.

Plasmas are superior in almost every way to LCD. Burn in is NOT an issue with a modern plasma from Panasonic or Plasma. Even the power consumption of plasma TV's has come down close to that of LCD panels.

With a plasma you will in almost every case get a panel with better dark levels, higher contrast, and zero response time compared to a similar priced LCD.

Personally I wouldn't ship a TV anyway, that's just asking for trouble.
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http://www.walmart.com/ip/Vizio-42-E3D420VX/15992330
the 3D on these TV's is pretty good BTW, I have a buddy that has one. He has 2 pair of modified glasses so when you can play split screen in 3d each players gets their own full screen to play on. Its a cool trick if you ask me. Also screen has no back light bleeding and contrast is vary good for a LCD. The 3d works with both AMD and Nvidia cards as well as 360 and ps3.


If going plasma I would get nothing but Panasonic, Though if you can afford it nothing can beat plasma quality.


Plus LCD is horrid on SD, Kinda sucks when a channel doesnt support HD.
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Apart of all the positive side of plasma TVs, I went to see a friends 42inch Plasma TV, the image very, very poor, dark no brightens at all. I went to shop to see more plasma TV...I was told that this is the image of plasma TV, like a shadow, dark. I was so disappointed.
I gave up and had to chose between Toshiba LED and LG LED. I finally went for Toshiba Regza 32SL863. I am very happy with it. I updated the software over the net and i can play 90% of all my avi files. I am a bit sad that they, amazon, could not deliver to my place only 32 inch in size, otherwise i would have got at least 40inch.
I would say go for LCD/LED TV. LG customer service is very good, at least in the UK.
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Apart of all the positive side of plasma TVs, I went to see a friends 42inch Plasma TV, the image very, very poor, dark no brightens at all. I went to shop to see more plasma TV...I was told that this is the image of plasma TV, like a shadow, dark. I was so disappointed.
I gave up and had to chose between Toshiba LED and LG LED. I finally went for Toshiba Regza 32SL863. I am very happy with it. I updated the software over the net and i can play 90% of all my avi files. I am a bit sad that they, amazon, could not deliver to my place only 32 inch in size, otherwise i would have got at least 40inch.
I would say go for LCD/LED TV. LG customer service is very good, at least in the UK.

That seams very odd, its true Plasma's are typically not as bright as LED's but that shouldn't matter in the average living room (the average Plasma should output at least 300 cd/m2). Was your friends room very bright and did he know how to adjust the tv properly? The only area where Plasma brightness should be a down side is in a bright place place like a public waiting room or an airport with lots of open windows and bright light.
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I would listen to this guy and get a 1080p plasma. I have a friend who bought a 1080p 59 inch plasma for just under a grand last summer. It shouldent be hard to find one in the 40 inch range for cheaper.
Plasmas are superior in almost every way to LCD. Burn in is NOT an issue with a modern plasma from Panasonic or Plasma. Even the power consumption of plasma TV's has come down close to that of LCD panels.
With a plasma you will in almost every case get a panel with better dark levels, higher contrast, and zero response time compared to a similar priced LCD.
Personally I wouldn't ship a TV anyway, that's just asking for trouble.

Burn in still occurs and Plasma TVs still have a higher failure rate than LCD TVs! You can argue all you want, but only a fool would buy a Plasma and hook a PC up to it.
Edited by Horse Head - 3/20/12 at 4:50pm
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Burn in still occurs and Plasma TVs still have a higher failure rate than LCD TVs! You can argue all you want, but only a fool would buy a Plasma and hook a PC up to it.

Stubborn newbie is stubborn.

Anyways, sorry you have to watch this OP but not everybody on this planet is open to other opinions. I'll try to explain this lcd versus led versus plasma thing but I'll probably do a terrible job.

liquid crystal display (lcd) This is probably the type of display you won't get. This display requires back lighting because the liquid crystals cannot produce their own light, which is why units are usually thicker, unless using back lights that actually light the display from the side. The disadvantage to a back lighting unit behind the panel is that it makes it thicker. The downside to edge lit is unequal light distribution. Trust me, I have this problem with a Samsung I have in my living room that's an lcd-led. It's edge list and whites in the middle aren't as great as the ones near the edges. I believe these displays are also limited to 240hz. 240hz (and 120hz) is already smooth so any higher isn't really necessary.

light emitting diode (led) As the name suggests, this type of display can emit it's own light. It consists of 3 led's; blue, green, and red, the primary colors of light. These units are thinner than lcd's because the panel itself can light itself up, eliminating the need to an additional back lighting unit. Light distribution is much more even because each pixel emits its own light, so not one part of the screen will be brighter than another. led's right now are limited to 240hz.

plasma A lot of people fear these displays because they produce a lot of heat. In a plasma, phosphors create the image and light themselves up, just like led. In the past, they had issues called burn in like you've read earlier. I'll do a horrible job explaining it so just Google it if you want to know. The heat issue was due to horrible efficiency, but don't let this drive you away. The trade off was much better image quality with deeper blacks and brighter whites. Modern plasma's however are rid of high heat output. Burn in is still possible but you need to leave a still image on the screen for an extended amount of time for that to happen. They've become extremely efficient (close to lcd's if I remember correctly). Plasma is a much harder technology to master so it won't progress as quick, but it still provides better picture quality overall, unless you have a horrible plasma. Plasma's go up to 600hz which is as smooth as melted butter on a pan. Motion blur is pretty much inexistent on plasma's.

If you read PCMag's little article between these three, they say modern led's can perform better. I don't have any proof if some can or not and I'm not sure what their methods are but these specific led televisions are usually expensive and I don't think it's worth it when you can get the same image quality for less, at the cost of a little more power (which isn't much, considering how some people have power hungry computers or run Folding@Home or BOINC 24/7).

I would say get a 1080p plasma if you can. Panasonic is probably the best plasma manufacturer. They have 42" 1080p plasma's for under $700 IIRC.

If you aren't satisfied, get a 1080p led. I remember Panasonic uses IPS panels on theirs. I don't know about other manufacturers. Just don't expect the image quality to be as great. It might be close but plasma's still reign over led's in image quality.

Edit: Here's one I was eyeing earlier.

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-VIERA-TC-P42UT50-42-Inch-Plasma/dp/B00752VKTQ/ref=dp_ob_title_ce

It's 1080p, supports 3D (you probably won't care), and has a boat-load of other features. If you're concerned about quality, it seems to have good reviews (only 2 and I don't trust customer reviews much but it's Panasonic. They're probably the best plasma manufacturers like I said earlier).
Edited by HybridCore - 3/23/12 at 3:04pm
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Edit: Here's one I was eyeing earlier.
http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-VIERA-TC-P42UT50-42-Inch-Plasma/dp/B00752VKTQ/ref=dp_ob_title_ce
It's 1080p, supports 3D (you probably won't care), and has a boat-load of other features. If you're concerned about quality, it seems to have good reviews (only 2 and I don't trust customer reviews much but it's Panasonic. They're probably the best plasma manufacturers like I said earlier).

They were selling the display model of that at best buy for $500. I was really considering it, but I really don't want to deal with a display model warranty should anything happen. It looked beautiful though. Sexy enclosure, and very compact compared to my 50" panasonic I got in '10. I could definitely tell a difference in the crispness between a 42" 720p and 1080p plasma. Some of the new LEDs in the $2000 and up range are looking pretty good though, but I can't really justify that cost because at most I'll get 3-4 years out of it before I'm itching for an upgrade.

I need a TV for the upstairs living room that will only get watched on occasion. I'm strongly considering the Insignia 42" 720p plasma @ $400 at BB. I saw nothing else at $400 that could compete with it.
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I'm strongly considering the Insignia 42" 720p plasma @ $400 at BB. I saw nothing else at $400 that could compete with it.

I would recommend against Insignia. They're essentially Best Buy's crappy knock-off brand. Got a set of Insignia brand speakers just to try it out, and wow. Awful. Just my experience, though.
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I would recommend against Insignia. They're essentially Best Buy's crappy knock-off brand. Got a set of Insignia brand speakers just to try it out, and wow. Awful. Just my experience, though.

Wrong! Dynex is the knock off brand. Also, both use LG and Samsung parts and panels. Speakers vs TV? Two different things.
Edited by Horse Head - 3/24/12 at 12:17am
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Stubborn newbie is stubborn.
Anyways, sorry you have to watch this OP but not everybody on this planet is open to other opinions. I'll try to explain this lcd versus led versus plasma thing but I'll probably do a terrible job.
liquid crystal display (lcd) This is probably the type of display you won't get. This display requires back lighting because the liquid crystals cannot produce their own light, which is why units are usually thicker, unless using back lights that actually light the display from the side. The disadvantage to a back lighting unit behind the panel is that it makes it thicker. The downside to edge lit is unequal light distribution. Trust me, I have this problem with a Samsung I have in my living room that's an lcd-led. It's edge list and whites in the middle aren't as great as the ones near the edges. I believe these displays are also limited to 240hz. 240hz (and 120hz) is already smooth so any higher isn't really necessary.
light emitting diode (led) As the name suggests, this type of display can emit it's own light. It consists of 3 led's; blue, green, and red, the primary colors of light. These units are thinner than lcd's because the panel itself can light itself up, eliminating the need to an additional back lighting unit. Light distribution is much more even because each pixel emits its own light, so not one part of the screen will be brighter than another. led's right now are limited to 240hz.
plasma A lot of people fear these displays because they produce a lot of heat. In a plasma, phosphors create the image and light themselves up, just like led. In the past, they had issues called burn in like you've read earlier. I'll do a horrible job explaining it so just Google it if you want to know. The heat issue was due to horrible efficiency, but don't let this drive you away. The trade off was much better image quality with deeper blacks and brighter whites. Modern plasma's however are rid of high heat output. Burn in is still possible but you need to leave a still image on the screen for an extended amount of time for that to happen. They've become extremely efficient (close to lcd's if I remember correctly). Plasma is a much harder technology to master so it won't progress as quick, but it still provides better picture quality overall, unless you have a horrible plasma. Plasma's go up to 600hz which is as smooth as melted butter on a pan. Motion blur is pretty much inexistent on plasma's.
If you read PCMag's little article between these three, they say modern led's can perform better. I don't have any proof if some can or not and I'm not sure what their methods are but these specific led televisions are usually expensive and I don't think it's worth it when you can get the same image quality for less, at the cost of a little more power (which isn't much, considering how some people have power hungry computers or run Folding@Home or BOINC 24/7).
I would say get a 1080p plasma if you can. Panasonic is probably the best plasma manufacturer. They have 42" 1080p plasma's for under $700 IIRC.
If you aren't satisfied, get a 1080p led. I remember Panasonic uses IPS panels on theirs. I don't know about other manufacturers. Just don't expect the image quality to be as great. It might be close but plasma's still reign over led's in image quality.
Edit: Here's one I was eyeing earlier.
http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-VIERA-TC-P42UT50-42-Inch-Plasma/dp/B00752VKTQ/ref=dp_ob_title_ce
It's 1080p, supports 3D (you probably won't care), and has a boat-load of other features. If you're concerned about quality, it seems to have good reviews (only 2 and I don't trust customer reviews much but it's Panasonic. They're probably the best plasma manufacturers like I said earlier).

Newbie! I'm a certified tech. I know everything there is to know about modern TVs. You're argue picture when it comes to Plasma TVs, but the low-end and mid-end Plasma have a high failure rate when it comes to internal components.

Also, LED TVs are LCD with the back-light being LEDs. You have no clue and your calling me a newbie.

Get your facts right and do not confuse tech! Maybe you want to read up on LCD backlit-LED TVs VS OLED.

It is sad when someone goes and copies info from somewhere else without checking the facts!


Once again for the OP! Do not get a low-end Plasma TV, they are all junk and will fail! You will not find a good new Plasma in the $700 range.
Edited by Horse Head - 3/24/12 at 12:15am
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