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3/24/12 at 12:32am
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Get one of the nicer plasma's that you were looking at. That 3D LG 1080p one you linked earlier in the thread is an amazing panel. This one:
http://www.amazon.com/LG-50PV450-50-Inch-1080p-Plasma/dp/B004LWV3HC/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1332269849&sr=1-1&tag=vig-20

Ignore Horse Head. He doesn't even know that Dynex is the Best Buy brand.... rolleyes.gif

I've got a Samsung 2010 model 50" plasma, "600Hz", 1080p, 3D ready...all that jazz. Its honestly one of the BEST televisions I have EVER used. I got mine as a Best Buy display model too, 2 YEARS ago. And its still going absolutely strong as day one. I've used LCD's, LED's, DLP's, CRT's...... and man, that plasma is just amazing.

Burn in IS NOT an issue anymore. Image retention is...sure. But only if you leave a static image on screen for like 30+ minutes. But its not even noticeable if you have something playing, and it goes away entirely after 5 minutes anyway. I wouldn't base your purchase off the one very small flaw, that you won't even notice more than likely.
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3/24/12 at 12:39am
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Personally I wouldn't ship a TV anyway, that's just asking for trouble.


I had my 42" LCD TV shipped from Walmart.com. Thing came in fine.


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Plus LCD is horrid on SD, Kinda sucks when a channel doesnt support HD.


This is SO true lol.

 

I personally bought a 1080p LCD for $550 and didn't look back. Use it for TV, Blu-ray, and PC. I've been to the store and LEDs look more brighter but different. Once you one home you won't tell a difference but LCDs can't get too bright but that's good 'cause bright = unrealism. The Plasmas I've seen are dark and nothing special but I've yet to to see one play a Blu-ray movie at 1080p. If someone has clip I'd like to see it. I've read that people have still had burn-in issues despite taking care not to and using the anti-burn software. I've also heard not to use one for PC use because of burn-in. It's your money.

 

 

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3/24/12 at 12:46am
I would go with the plasma. The color and black levels will be better and it has a 600hz refresh rate (I know that's more that the eye can perceive, but still). The plasma you listed also as a 10,000,000:1 contrast ratio, nice. thumb.gif
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3/24/12 at 1:05am
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I had my 42" LCD TV shipped from Walmart.com. Thing came in fine.


This is SO true lol.

I personally bought a 1080p LCD for $550 and didn't look back. Use it for TV, Blu-ray, and PC. I've been to the store and LEDs look more brighter but different. Once you one home you won't tell a difference but LCDs can't get too bright but that's good 'cause bright = unrealism. The Plasmas I've seen are dark and nothing special but I've yet to to see one play a Blu-ray movie at 1080p. If someone has clip I'd like to see it. I've read that people have still had burn-in issues despite taking care not to and using the anti-burn software. I've also heard not to use one for PC use because of burn-in. It's your money.


Burn in is becoming less and less of an issues as plasma technology evolves. Burn in is the brightness of the RGB of certain pixels being held static for a while. The phosphorus overheats and creates a "shadow". Certain configurations (the one that was held static) of the RGB of the pixel will be less bright.

I've had burn in with games HUDs. After hours of playing COD, you can see the mini-map outline in the corner. However, playing the Xbox 360 music visualizer for a while counteracts the burn in; or just watching tv/movies. Anti-burn in software is a scam. The PS3 visualizer and 360 visualizer probably work better.

You're right about not using a plasma as a PC display. The icons, web browsers, word docs, windows, etc.. would create a mess of burn-ins.

I think plasmas still look the best. However, once active-matrix-organic-light-emitting-diode (AMOLED) TVs come out, I will change my mind.
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3/24/12 at 1:08am
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I had my 42" LCD TV shipped from Walmart.com. Thing came in fine.


This is SO true lol.

I personally bought a 1080p LCD for $550 and didn't look back. Use it for TV, Blu-ray, and PC. I've been to the store and LEDs look more brighter but different. Once you one home you won't tell a difference but LCDs can't get too bright but that's good 'cause bright = unrealism. The Plasmas I've seen are dark and nothing special but I've yet to to see one play a Blu-ray movie at 1080p. If someone has clip I'd like to see it. I've read that people have still had burn-in issues despite taking care not to and using the anti-burn software. I've also heard not to use one for PC use because of burn-in. It's your money.


Burn in is becoming less and less of an issues as plasma technology evolves. Burn in is the brightness of the RGB of certain pixels being held static for a while. The phosphorus overheats and creates a "shadow". Certain configurations (the one that was held static) of the RGB of the pixel will be less bright.

I've had burn in with games HUDs. After hours of playing COD, you can see the mini-map outline in the corner. However, playing the Xbox 360 music visualizer for a while counteracts the burn in; or just watching tv/movies. Anti-burn in software is a scam. The PS3 visualizer and 360 visualizer probably work better.

You're right about not using a plasma as a PC display. The icons, web browsers, word docs, windows, etc.. would create a mess of burn-ins.

I think plasmas still look the best. However, once active-matrix-organic-light-emitting-diode (AMOLED) TVs come out, I will change my mind.

That's not burn in. That's image retention. Burn in is permanent, image retention goes away after having something moving along the screen (or after being shut off) (At least from my understanding).

Image retention IS still a problem with plasma's, but its honestly not nearly that bad. I've used my PC on my plasma for HOURS, just browsing OCN before. Chrome was stuck on the screen. I fired up a movie or a game...and it wasn't even noticeable anymore. After 5-10 minutes it was completely gone.
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3/24/12 at 1:08am
I have a 50" Panasonic Plasma and when I had an xbox I would game on that thing alot... during the weekend I would sometimes put in 6 hours straight and NEVER have i got any burn in on this TV. newer technology makes it a non issue.
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3/24/12 at 4:08am
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Get one of the nicer plasma's that you were looking at. That 3D LG 1080p one you linked earlier in the thread is an amazing panel. This one:
http://www.amazon.com/LG-50PV450-50-Inch-1080p-Plasma/dp/B004LWV3HC/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1332269849&sr=1-1&tag=vig-20
Ignore Horse Head. He doesn't even know that Dynex is the Best Buy brand.... rolleyes.gif
I've got a Samsung 2010 model 50" plasma, "600Hz", 1080p, 3D ready...all that jazz. Its honestly one of the BEST televisions I have EVER used. I got mine as a Best Buy display model too, 2 YEARS ago. And its still going absolutely strong as day one. I've used LCD's, LED's, DLP's, CRT's...... and man, that plasma is just amazing.
Burn in IS NOT an issue anymore. Image retention is...sure. But only if you leave a static image on screen for like 30+ minutes. But its not even noticeable if you have something playing, and it goes away entirely after 5 minutes anyway. I wouldn't base your purchase off the one very small flaw, that you won't even notice more than likely.

Actually, I know dynex is the Best Buy brand. You failed to comprehend my post.

My post "Wrong! Dynex is the knock off brand. Also, both use LG and Samsung parts and panels. Speakers vs TV? Two different things." As you can see I did not say Dynex is not a Best Buy brand.
I know TVs.


Please stop putting words in my mouth.
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3/24/12 at 4:13am
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That's not burn in. That's image retention. Burn in is permanent, image retention goes away after having something moving along the screen (or after being shut off) (At least from my understanding).
Image retention IS still a problem with plasma's, but its honestly not nearly that bad. I've used my PC on my plasma for HOURS, just browsing OCN before. Chrome was stuck on the screen. I fired up a movie or a game...and it wasn't even noticeable anymore. After 5-10 minutes it was completely gone.

It is temp burn-in. They just came up with a different term because Plasma were not selling and still are not selling. Plasma is done. OLED is FTW!

Leave a still image for 30m - 1h and you will see. It will go away after time, but it is extremely annoying. Also, if you are in game mode it will not occur as easy. Some Plasma TVs actually shift the image slightly in game mode to reduce temp burn-in or retention.

In the end, it does not matter what you do, burn-in or retention will occur. It's a common thing with the panel design.

Also, over time Plasma panels degrade and get cloudy and greyish-brown!
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3/24/12 at 6:03am
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Newbie! I'm a certified tech. I know everything there is to know about modern TVs. You're argue picture when it comes to Plasma TVs, but the low-end and mid-end Plasma have a high failure rate when it comes to internal components.
Also, LED TVs are LCD with the back-light being LEDs. You have no clue and your calling me a newbie.
Get your facts right and do not confuse tech! Maybe you want to read up on LCD backlit-LED TVs VS OLED.
It is sad when someone goes and copies info from somewhere else without checking the facts!
Once again for the OP! Do not get a low-end Plasma TV, they are all junk and will fail! You will not find a good new Plasma in the $700 range.

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So much false info from you too. I don't know everything but enough to know that you're trying to steer the OP in the wrong direction.
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Get one of the nicer plasma's that you were looking at. That 3D LG 1080p one you linked earlier in the thread is an amazing panel. This one:
http://www.amazon.com/LG-50PV450-50-Inch-1080p-Plasma/dp/B004LWV3HC/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1332269849&sr=1-1&tag=vig-20
Ignore Horse Head. He doesn't even know that Dynex is the Best Buy brand.... rolleyes.gif
I've got a Samsung 2010 model 50" plasma, "600Hz", 1080p, 3D ready...all that jazz. Its honestly one of the BEST televisions I have EVER used. I got mine as a Best Buy display model too, 2 YEARS ago. And its still going absolutely strong as day one. I've used LCD's, LED's, DLP's, CRT's...... and man, that plasma is just amazing.
Burn in IS NOT an issue anymore. Image retention is...sure. But only if you leave a static image on screen for like 30+ minutes. But its not even noticeable if you have something playing, and it goes away entirely after 5 minutes anyway. I wouldn't base your purchase off the one very small flaw, that you won't even notice more than likely.

Do that and you'll be fine.
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I have a 50" Panasonic Plasma and when I had an xbox I would game on that thing alot... during the weekend I would sometimes put in 6 hours straight and NEVER have i got any burn in on this TV. newer technology makes it a non issue.

This. Modern plasma's are great. I kind of wish Pioneer was still making the Kuro plasma's. Sharp doesn't do as nice as a job.
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