Originally Posted by Masked
Thank god, we, the capitalists, aren't in the UK.
This is teaching our children that they don't have to be responsible consumers ~ That's there is no responsibility when buying a product...There should be...There needs to be...Otherwise, we're facing a larger recession than the one, we're currently in.
If I'm allergic to nuts and I as the consumer fail to read the label, then buy that product ~ Under your apparent ethical teachings ~ If I ate that product and became seriously ill, I could sue everyone involved in the sale of that product because I as a consumer, had no responsibility to read that label, the law exists to hold my hand; that sir, is the dumbest thing I've heard/read/interacted with, in my short 27 years.
I can't believe you're preaching that mentality, as a programmer and on a computer enthusiast's website...It absolutely just blows my mind.
Yeah, it's a shame that your country is a Socialist Democracy with a Capitalist market like mine then, isn't it?
As I'm shocked at the audacity of you to claim your country is perfect, when:
^I believe that destroys your entire argument, there. No need to thank me, or continue claiming that I'm blowing your mind with my mentality.
I'm not the only person who seems to think there's a good recourse for consumers who buy games and most certainly not on this website.
Originally Posted by lordikon
I agree there are things being done by game companies that are not in the interest of the consumer. These things are generally done by publishers, and are the reason why I currently will not purchase UbiSoft games, and try to shy away from EA or Activision games. But I don't see that as any reason to play through an entire 30 hour game, like most of the game, and then return it because the game ending was not satisfactory. Once you've spent a few years in the industry, busting your ass working 50-hour weeks to make a game, and then see people return it after not approving of the ending
, we'll see how sympathetic you are for those people.
I know and I would totally agree with you if the bolded text was entirely true. It's not, though, it's a matter of the claims made prior to the game being released. The purchaser who got the refund had to play the whole game before he realised who false the ending was in according to the claims made by Bioware. As I said the amount of time played isn't that relevant as much as the content of the ending is.
I'll be clear, if I thought this was just about the guy not liking the ending then I'd be all out against it. It's like I said, I have TF2 and I really, really don't like it. Just because I don't like the game it doesn't mean I can return it. That's flat out wrong and it no-one will ever be able to return a game simply because they don't like it.
Originally Posted by lordikon
Sure, I wouldn't be happy about it. There have been plenty of decisions made on games that I've worked on that I personally didn't agree with. My point is, this whole "that's how they advertised it" thing is irrelevant. There are 7 different endings, each dependent on decisions you made in ME2 and ME3. Sorry that they don't meet the approval of the fans basing their opinions on what was talked about before the game was finished. As I've said, all this is going to lead to is that game developers will be even more secretive about games than before. Do people have the right to be angry about the ending, and that it didn't live up to the hype? Yes. Should they return a game they played all of the way through? In my opinion, no.
Again, I'm split because I can see the reasoning for the return. If it was a case of playing it all the way through and then not liking the ending or agreeing with it, then no, no refunds in my opinion. But in false advertising that you didn't find out until the end of the title? Then I think the playtime or completion % is irrelevant.
You can't take the amount of time played into account when refunding a game based on technical or other based merits. The amount of play time is entirely irrelevant, but the fact that it could be based on opinion is totally relevant! If it were just an opinion it'd be "get out" but it's not it's based on advertisements made by the company.