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good. ME3 ending is absolutely the worst of any video game ever.

Really? THE WORST you say? EVER? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E.T._the_Extra-Terrestrial_(video_game)
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I've heard about this happening in the UK. If a consumer finds a product to be "defective", the retailer has to refund their money.

There's a good reason rules like these are set in place too. Hopefully to prevent people from selling stuff that isn't as advertised. Mass Effect 3, in this case, isn't as advertised. For all their advertised choices making a different, the ending is cut & paste no matter how you play through the game (including previous games).
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If they really wanted to vote with their wallets they wouldn't have played to begin with, legally or not. Playing the game, not being satisfied with the ending, then asking for a refund is not voting with your wallet. It is trying to eat your cake and have it too.

How were people supposed to vote with their wallets by not buying it if it hadn't come out yet? And yes, there were some boycots sprung up by various people, but there is no way they could have known how the ending would have been. Purchasing a product, identifying that it is incomplete or not as advertised, and then returning it is still "voting with their wallets" because it forces bioware to take some notice, as money is actually being taken away rather than just boycotting it.
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Well it's debatable if you would consider it good. But there is a BETTER ending and it requires you to do a whole lot of hoop jumping and ALMOST requires multiplayer and game saves from ME2. Almost... you don't quite need them if you do EVERYTHING else perfect.
The point is its not really the end of the world. Stories will inevitably have endings people don't like. Its just the nature of people's subjective opinions. All the endings in ME3 are reasonable and are achievable.
BS, you can't get squat. I really love the mass effect trilogy, finished the first two games a least 8 times each. Played through mass effect 3 and man was it a blast until I reached the end ..... Jesus, the crappiest ending ever made. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
3 endings which are in fact all the same except for the explosion color. Your team mates being on board the Normandy by some magic trick, TIM and Anderson being on board the space station (can't remember the darn name) and no idea how, a kid being the leader of the reapers coming out of nowhere .... so many loopholes it's making me dizzy. The replayability of the game has been completely destroyed by the endings.
Oh and the good ending that you mention is someone (Sheppard ??) in a N7 armor laying in the middle of concrete rubble who starts to breathe (kinda stupid when you see the space station explode with Sheppard on board)
And yes, I care. When you spent dozens of hours with the 2 first games, making the right choices, saving all your team mates, replaying with different ones only to reach the end and realizing that it wouldn't have changed anything anyway, it's disappointing.
Done venting
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There's a good reason rules like these are set in place too. Hopefully to prevent people from selling stuff that isn't as advertised. Mass Effect 3, in this case, isn't as advertised. For all their advertised choices making a different, the ending is cut & paste no matter how you play through the game (including previous games).

I have something for both of you to consider:

Imagine you are watching a movie... lets say, the first Rambo.

At the end of the movie, after his speech/breakdown, he could have:
A) "eaten his gun" aka shot himself in the head
B) Given up / allow himself to be arrested
C) shot as many people as he could before being filled with holes


No matter the choice, Rambo loses.

And that's a GOOD thing. If Rambo was able to kill off every last police and run out victorious, what would be the point of the movie? Random slaughter with no conclusion? Sometimes, the protagonist HAS to lose for the story to hold it's intended meaning.

Does that mean that all 3 choices are the same? Of course not.

Just because none of the endings in ME3 involve what you wanted to happen doesn't mean that there aren't choices to begin with or that the endings aren't significantly varied. Of course, that would involve some understanding of subtly and the ability to get over self-entitlement... a pair of things OCN seems to lack.

So again, if you really feel the need to complain about ME3, complain about something valid. There are plenty of technical issues which are cut and dry unacceptable. "It doesnt run on my machine for no apparent reason" is indeed unacceptable, your opinion on the story is irrelevant.
Edited by Zero4549 - 3/20/12 at 5:29am
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Really? THE WORST you say? EVER? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E.T._the_Extra-Terrestrial_(video_game)

Not sure what you mean? He clearly said "Ending".

While E.T. might be the worst of all time, hand down, no contest, without a second thought, human excrement, game ever made, the fall of ME has been quite astounding. The ending just by how much of an uproar they fans as a whole have made out of it certainly says ME's ending might be the WOAT, which is kinda sad cuse the first one was soooooo good . sad-smiley-002.gif
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I have something for both of you to consider:
Imagine you are watching a movie... lets say, the first Rambo.
At the end of the movie, after his speech/breakdown, he could have:
A) "eaten his gun" aka shot himself in the head
B) Given up / allow himself to be arrested
C) shot as many people as he could before being filled with holes
No matter the choice, Rambo loses.
And that's a GOOD thing. If Rambo was able to kill off every last police and run out victorious, what would be the point of the movie? Random slaughter with no conclusion? Sometimes, the protagonist HAS to lose for the story to hold it's intended meaning.
Does that mean that all 3 choices are the same? Of course not.
Just because none of the endings in ME3 involve what you wanted to happen doesn't mean that there aren't choices to begin with or that the endings aren't significantly varied. Of course, that would involve some understanding of subtly and the ability to get over self-entitlement... a pair of things OCN seems to lack.
So again, if you really feel the need to complain about ME3, complain about something valid. There are plenty of technical issues which are cut and dry unacceptable. "It doesnt run on my machine for no apparent reason" is indeed unacceptable, your opinion on the story is irrelevant.
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How were people supposed to vote with their wallets by not buying it if it hadn't come out yet? And yes, there were some boycots sprung up by various people, but there is no way they could have known how the ending would have been. Purchasing a product, identifying that it is incomplete or not as advertised, and then returning it is still "voting with their wallets" because it forces bioware to take some notice, as money is actually being taken away rather than just boycotting it.

Actually, money in this case is being taken away from Amazon, not Bioware.

Additionally, all this will "teach" Bioware is that gamers are whiny ****s who cant stand their protagonist failing to live up to unrealistic expectations. They'll make sure every game in the future ends with your main character blowing up every single enemy in the galaxy with the power of sheer will, and a big parade in which you are crowned the eternal god of happyland.

Meanwhile the game will still be full of game breaking technical problems since no one bothered telling bioware that that is something that needed fixing.
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Not sure what you mean? He clearly said "Ending".
While E.T. might be the worst of all time, hand down, no contest, without a second thought, human excrement, game ever made, the fall of ME has been quite astounding. The ending just by how much of an uproar they fans as a whole have made out of it certainly says ME's ending might be the WOAT, which is kinda sad cuse the first one was soooooo good . sad-smiley-002.gif

ME's ending might be worse if you're using "how far it deviates from the expected ending" as a measure of quality since everyone was EXPECTING the ending of E.T. to suck since the rest of the game sucked just as bad, but can you really say the ending for ET was better in and of itself? I doubt it.

That would be like saying food smells worse than poop after being left out for two weeks.

Sure, the food smells a heck of a lot worse than it did when it was fresh, and the poo didn't really get any worse over 2 weeks period, but at the end of the day its still freaking poop.
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This is great. The main problem with a game is that you invest so much money upfront with absolutely zero knowledge if you'll get any RoI unless you wait for user reviews. Game reviews are always a bunch of nonsense since the game companies pay for them, I wish Ron Paul had a son who would fix the gaming world and point out all these obvious flaws.

Anyway this is an odd case from one company only that will probably not make a change, but I don't think it will do anything. EA has lied to me, failed to meet promises, and destroyed many games I loved. I do not support them, buy their products, and tell others not to and why. I hate EA. I figured ME3 would be horrible like DA2 and it was. I will never buy this game and BF3 was my last EA purchase. They are even putting me off gaming as a whole because industry standards are becoming more and more greedy with worse and worse products. Having such a rabid fan base of bioware might have bit EA in the ass because now they are mad and they have the time to fight EA when not making nude mods.


Because of how fail game companies have been I have had to develop a strategy in order to minimize loss. I only buy games when they are super cheap, usually on steam deals, or if I know the product will have a large amount of gameplay. For Instance SC2, even with its many problems, I have gotten easily a thousand hours of entertainment and have even bought a 2nd copy. The only game besides that Ive enjoyed as much are halo 1+2, morrowind, broodwar, and C&C Red Alert.

Im tired of buying horrible games and paying full price, so now I dont pay full price for any game except a few rare exceptions. I even took a few years break from gaming and came back to find a ton of good games for cheap and I am running out of games already. I got Planescape Torment to finish and I might get the older Baldurs gates and other titles at some point but I think its time to stop playing video games (besides SC2) and not care about new titles. Why should I spend top dollar for bad games and have to have expensive equipment when I can wait a few years and spend a lot less and have all teh bad games filtered and the ok games modded so they are good. I bought $700 worth of GPU for BF3 and its a horrible game. It might get better with patches but atm I am very disappointed with it and haven't played it for a few months I think.



TL:DR

1.) Game companies dont care and you roll the dice on quality games
2.) Waiting for games or series so you can play them all at once for a cheap price and all DLC and patches/mods makes for a much better experience
3.) You save money and time since the bad games will be filtered through time and gaming is overall more enjoyable.
4.) This forces game companies to either make good games or lose your $$$, and you can find old games that are just as good or better than new games for most people.
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This is great. The main problem with a game is that you invest so much money upfront with absolutely zero knowledge if you'll get any RoI unless you wait for user reviews. Game reviews are always a bunch of nonsense since the game companies pay for them, I wish Ron Paul had a son who would fix the gaming world and point out all these obvious flaws.
Anyway this is an odd case from one company only that will probably not make a change, but I don't think it will do anything. EA has lied to me, failed to meet promises, and destroyed many games I loved. I do not support them, buy their products, and tell others not to and why. I hate EA. I figured ME3 would be horrible like DA2 and it was. I will never buy this game and BF3 was my last EA purchase. They are even putting me off gaming as a whole because industry standards are becoming more and more greedy with worse and worse products. Having such a rabid fan base of bioware might have bit EA in the ass because now they are mad and they have the time to fight EA when not making nude mods.
Because of how fail game companies have been I have had to develop a strategy in order to minimize loss. I only buy games when they are super cheap, usually on steam deals, or if I know the product will have a large amount of gameplay. For Instance SC2, even with its many problems, I have gotten easily a thousand hours of entertainment and have even bought a 2nd copy. The only game besides that Ive enjoyed as much are halo 1+2, morrowind, broodwar, and C&C Red Alert.
Im tired of buying horrible games and paying full price, so now I dont pay full price for any game except a few rare exceptions. I even took a few years break from gaming and came back to find a ton of good games for cheap and I am running out of games already. I got Planescape Torment to finish and I might get the older Baldurs gates and other titles at some point but I think its time to stop playing video games (besides SC2) and not care about new titles. Why should I spend top dollar for bad games and have to have expensive equipment when I can wait a few years and spend a lot less and have all teh bad games filtered and the ok games modded so they are good. I bought $700 worth of GPU for BF3 and its a horrible game. It might get better with patches but atm I am very disappointed with it and haven't played it for a few months I think.
TL:DR
1.) Game companies dont care and you roll the dice on quality games
2.) Waiting for games or series so you can play them all at once for a cheap price and all DLC and patches/mods makes for a much better experience
3.) You save money and time since the bad games will be filtered through time and gaming is overall more enjoyable.
4.) This forces game companies to either make good games or lose your $$$, and you can find old games that are just as good or better than new games for most people.

Thanks for making some sense. It's refreshing.
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Is it really as chankty as the opening scenes? The gameplay seems to be put together well, but that whole opening scene feels so last minute.
 
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