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Clock for clock? that would mean 2.9 vs 2.9, PD cores are 30% faster than Llano cores? No. Trinity is coming at 3.8, at least high end. Anyways, this article is dumb and needs to be corrected..
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Quote:
Originally Posted by amay200 View Post

How does Llano compare to bulldozer? I'm pretty sure its faster IPC due to k10.5 being faster than bulldozer, but by how much?

Pretty sure Bulldozer's faster. Llano lacks L3.
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http://bbs.pceva.com.cn/thread-39867-1-1.html

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Yay!

It's almost like AMD plays the opposite role with processors than they do with GPUs.

One step behind Intel,
but one step ahead of nVidia.

(let's not argue the absolute accuracy of "one step" here. lol)

FWIW - I've seen a benchmark that clearly puts Llano (and Phenom II) ahead of Bulldozer clock-for-clock. This is a bench that usually shows big favor toward Intel's processors, so the Llano (~Stars) arch seems to out-perform Zambezi in a case where Intel's would.
Edited by Rezard - 3/19/12 at 11:37pm
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I'm almost certain the highest end trinity chips in laptops with a dedicated 7750m for dual/crossfire mode (and oc ability) will net me more impressive bang for buck performance over ivybridge laptop with dedicated gpu. Hopefully Ocing trinity cpu with k10stats will be jsut as effective aswell like my sig laptop smile.gif

4.0ghz trinity laptop crossfire graphics (integrated 7720g+dedicated 7750m) by HP with smart cool technology and laptop cooling pad = pure gaming ownage @ 650 - 700 bucks from best buy = win!!!
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30% faster clock for clock?
Only if you are comparing quad core trinity to dual core llano. rolleyes.gif
Edited by qwertymac93 - 3/20/12 at 12:09am
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Homeles View Post

Pretty sure Bulldozer's faster. Llano lacks L3.

Everythings faster with L3 headscratch.gif But no really if I had 2cents.gif for every time I seen you say L3 in a topic. wheee.gif

@Topic
AMD roadmaps show 25% increase in CPU performance and 50% increase in GPU performance over Llano.
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Um.. in CPU terms or GPU terms? Cause I can believe it in GPU terms. Tough pill to swallow in CPU terms, by a looooooong shot.
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Pretty sure Bulldozer's faster. Llano lacks L3.

Except it's not. There are numerous posts proving that here on OCN if you'd take the time to look. Clock for clock, instruction for instruction, Llano whoops up on BD. "L3" isn't everything.

Even Phenom I beats BD clock for clock. rolleyes.gif (Oops, my bad, it has L3! All 2mb of it!)
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FWIW - I've seen a benchmark that clearly puts Llano (and Phenom II) ahead of Bulldozer clock-for-clock. This is a bench that usually shows big favor toward Intel's processors, so the Llano (~Stars) arch seems to out-perform Zambezi in a case where Intel's would.

Really? *A* benchmark? Cause I've seen tons of them. Mostly gaming (which was what BD was supposed to be good at....) but a fair number of others as well. Mostly real world. Has nothing to do with Intel, and more to do with BDs long as poop pipelines.
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30% better.  That would be a massive improvement over Bulldozer if this is indeed a clock-for-clock value.  Pair that with much higher clock speed abilities at low power consumption thanks to resonant clock mesh (AMD's low-cost equivalent to 3D transistors).... I think we may have a winner this time around.  If these were indeed AMD claims and not those from another site I would see good reason to believe them.  When AMD made the somewhat mistaken claims about the BD architecture/FX processor it happened early into the final 32nm design (I don't even think any test chips were produced yet) and problems ended up making those early estimates wrong.  This is hardly early into design.  There have probably been several working examples now, as far early as before the BD release.  I think it might be more reasonable to set our expectations now.

 

Llano APU is about as fast as Phenom II clock-for-clock and various different tests put actual IPC at between 2% lower and 7% higher.  The APU being a 32nm chip clocks slightly (albeit only slightly because it's a die shrink) better than 45nm Phenom II.  AMD's FX provided equal or better IPS through better clock speeds but worse IPC.  If Piledriver cores can provide 30% better IPC AND better IPS than Llano - thus translating to even more IPC than 30% increase compared to Bulldozer - this might put Intel in serious danger.  Combine with that the use of HSA (Heterogenuous System Architecture or Fusion architecture) to leverage the GPU as the FPU portion of the chip, translating into even more CPU performance.... and AMD wins on all sides.  The desktop-based Piledriver core CPUs would probably be even better due to more strict binning, possible further design improvements, L3 cache, and high core count at the same or lower power consumption thanks to architecture improvements and Resonant Clock Mesh; but no iGPU, no HSA.


Edited by xd_1771 - 3/20/12 at 2:06am
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Quote:
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...

Whoa, we must look like ants to you! smile.gif

Honestly, a 30% IPC improvement over BD is a stretch, but llano? we are talking presler-> conroe levels of improvement here. heck, even bigger than conroe since trinity is supposed to clock way higher than llano. Hard to believe when were aren't even talking about a die shrink here, but a mere architectural tweak.

I think we better lower the bar before we smash our faces into it. If trinity MATCHES llano in IPC it would surprise me.
Yes Zambezi left a sour taste in my mouth.
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