Overclock.net › Forums › Intel › Intel - General › The Post PC Era Discussion
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

The Post PC Era Discussion - Page 2

post #11 of 17
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by samwiches View Post

Until we have quantum computers there will never be a device that is the smallest and fastest at the same time.

Business/enterprise use: no one has come up with an alternative to the physical keyboard, and I don't think there will ever be one until devices can read our brains with the same accuracy. Even if that is perfected, implants will be involved so it will be decades until that form of input becomes accepted as safe/normal, or until a totally non-invasive interface is developed. (singularity will be reached before that ever happens).

Singularities aside, people will not ever, ever, ever decide that movies on a tablet is just as enjoyable as on a large screen. No matter how portable a device is, it will need to work on huge displays--that line will always be blurred.

So basically, humans and computers will become one before fkn tablets ever replace desktops.

Those are all very valid points, + Rep...

Indeed watching movies on a tablet does not give you the effect of home theater, which is a rather expensive purchase. I think the idea behind the Tablets is to give people another option and a cheaper computer at the same time, just like the Notebook, and because they are both mobile, they really are handy (pun not intended)...

However, small form factor HTPC (home theater PCs) will definitely start to take over Home Theater, and they already have for many people.

Because Small Form Factor, All In One, and Mobile computers are so cheap, Desktops are widely ignored by many common consumers, they like convenience over power, they aren't into GHz, they are into mobility though, that's for sure, and the numbers prove it, definitely. Enterprises & Computer Enthusiast though don't want to settle for these toys, they want highly productive destkops, workstations, and servers.

On the flip side many businesses are allowing people to bring their own device, which of course will lead to a dominance of Notebooks & Tablets in the office, definitely. I believe that now that we have many cheap mobile and small form factor (SFF) computers on the market, the desktop will once again become ultra expensive, much like the workstation is today. I could be wrong, but I'm rather confident that prices will continue to rise for parts..

Furthermore, now that All-In-One computers are getting Windows 8, we may see more sales in that market, though that remains to be seen, truly.
Edited by _GTech - 3/22/12 at 7:08am
The Rock
(15 items)
 
  
Reply
The Rock
(15 items)
 
  
Reply
post #12 of 17
When I was working for the city where I live the other summer I saw some of the tech workers with an iPad. Personally though it looked like it was nothing buy a toy for them, one of the guys was fixing my computer while the girl say on the desk playing with it.

He did say that he could program app's for it, and I suppose they were using the iPad to keep in touch with the head office or something. But really for normal use in an office no one is going to be spending the money to upgrade people with tablets.

At least not in their current form with the iOS operating system. I can see customized tablets with specialized operating systems having a place with police to do licence plate searches and such, but it would have to be flawless in its operation.

It's true that most people are not even looking at desktops, and if I were looking to buy a pre-built I would choose a ultra-book over a desktop any day. If your not playing games it really doesn't take that much to browse facebook and watch movies.

However, I will say that over the past couple years the type of customer willing to build their own computer like we do on this site has grown almost exponentially. Over the past year or so I have built computers for two of my friends and another one is wanting to build late april. Nothing can rival having the power of a modern desktop for moderate to heavy applications.

We've been seeing plenty of news stories here about the continued growth of the PC gaming market. I think that as people realise just what is possible with a modern desktop, and just how easy it is to build one yourself, they will start to want one themselves.

Sure the kind of people I'm talking about might not be all that big in number compared to everyone else who is buying laptops and tablets, but it's still a considerable number and a group that is continuing to grow. So the term post-pc world really is only relevant if your completely ignorant of what is going on with the custom desktop and computer parts market right now. It's not going anywhere any time soon.
i7 3820
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 3820 AsRock X79 Extreme6 Sapphire 6950 2gb Sapphire 6950 2gb 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (4 x 4GB)  Crucial M4 128gb LG HD-DVD/Blu-Ray Combo Drive Corsair H80 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Pro 64bit Samsung XL2370 Cooler Master Quick Fire (cherry blues) Corsair TX850M 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Fractal Define R3 SS Xai SS 4HD Asus Xonar Essence ST 
  hide details  
Reply
i7 3820
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 3820 AsRock X79 Extreme6 Sapphire 6950 2gb Sapphire 6950 2gb 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (4 x 4GB)  Crucial M4 128gb LG HD-DVD/Blu-Ray Combo Drive Corsair H80 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Pro 64bit Samsung XL2370 Cooler Master Quick Fire (cherry blues) Corsair TX850M 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Fractal Define R3 SS Xai SS 4HD Asus Xonar Essence ST 
  hide details  
Reply
post #13 of 17
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by james_ant View Post

When I was working for the city where I live the other summer I saw some of the tech workers with an iPad. Personally though it looked like it was nothing buy a toy for them, one of the guys was fixing my computer while the girl say on the desk playing with it.

He did say that he could program app's for it, and I suppose they were using the iPad to keep in touch with the head office or something. But really for normal use in an office no one is going to be spending the money to upgrade people with tablets.

At least not in their current form with the iOS operating system. I can see customized tablets with specialized operating systems having a place with police to do licence plate searches and such, but it would have to be flawless in its operation.

It's true that most people are not even looking at desktops, and if I were looking to buy a pre-built I would choose a ultra-book over a desktop any day. If your not playing games it really doesn't take that much to browse facebook and watch movies.

However, I will say that over the past couple years the type of customer willing to build their own computer like we do on this site has grown almost exponentially. Over the past year or so I have built computers for two of my friends and another one is wanting to build late april. Nothing can rival having the power of a modern desktop for moderate to heavy applications.

We've been seeing plenty of news stories here about the continued growth of the PC gaming market. I think that as people realise just what is possible with a modern desktop, and just how easy it is to build one yourself, they will start to want one themselves.

Sure the kind of people I'm talking about might not be all that big in number compared to everyone else who is buying laptops and tablets, but it's still a considerable number and a group that is continuing to grow. So the term post-pc world really is only relevant if your completely ignorant of what is going on with the custom desktop and computer parts market right now. It's not going anywhere any time soon.

Good write up James. biggrin.gif +Rep

I blame these manufacturers of pre-built desktops for ruining the Desktop Market, they are STILL pushing trash out the door, and that's what is really ruining the "User's Experience", but then again, you have to consider price too...

Most people who are willing to buy a computer don't want to spend more than $300 - $700, that's the most common price range for most consumers today. We know what $800 - $1,600 will build you too, quite a bit, but if you go into the store and purchase a pre-built computer (no matter which kind it is), you can't expect much for that kind of money.

The entire idea behind the Post PC Era is, there are cheaper computers that operate where "Dual Core" desktops did yesterday, and thanks to Intel for provided the Intel Core i3, these computers are hardly chump, indeed they are quite good indeed. That is compared to the dual cores of yesterday. With that being said, I'll admit the the Enthusiast Desktop Market should never fade, because many of us Enthusiast infect others with our thinking, provided those others can afford what we do...

Most people I meet though, scoff at the idea of spending $1,000 + on a computer, even business owners scoff at that because they will say, "But I can buy a computer for a lot less at Walmart or Best Buy"... What they do not realize is the quality of the computer they are getting is more or less indicative to a disposable lighter, it's cheap, and yes, they are disposable computers in my book. The reasoning behind that is simple, it's cheaper to replace a mobile computer than it is to fix it in many instance when the cost is in the $200 - $400 range, depending upon what is wrong with it.

I don't like working on laptops, honestly they are pain in the rump, and furthermore, they can turn into a liability to your business very quickly! Meaning if you accidentally break something YOU have to pay for it, not the customer. I have had more than one customer get upset when their computer was broken and the causes were multiple because the power died and in turn it killed the motherboard. Of course all of us techs know this is a realistic scenario and it happens a lot, moreover the real cause is the fact that manufacturers of pre-built computers use cheap power supplies, and that's where the real issue lays...

Do I want to invest $500+ into a laptop? NO! Partly because I don't want to fix if it breaks, the other part being that the parts are more expensive to replace, and the other part being that you are at the mercy of the MFG who most likely will opt for CHEAP over quality! That's why to me, and many other people, the PC era isn't dead, nor will it ever die, that is unless of course the big corporations do things to change that fact...

However, given the situation, we can safely say that the "PC Era" is definitely NOT what it use to be, the consumers will either opt for cheaper mobile tech (which is in fact what the majority of people are doing), or they will opt for a higher quality desktop (which some are opting to do). However, one factor everyone should be aware of is, when demands go down, then these companies will either raise prices or get out of the business, which we can clearly see from HP & Dell's statements that, they are thinking this is the best thing to do!
The Rock
(15 items)
 
  
Reply
The Rock
(15 items)
 
  
Reply
post #14 of 17
Gtech thats exactly right, todays prebuilt computers that go for 300-700$ are essentially just as powerful as a 800-1500$ enthusiast desktop from 4-5 years ago with say a LGA775 quad core + 8800GT.

I also agree about the thing with the cheap power supplies and overall cheap parts they use. Look at how many people are using Q6600's and similar CPU's with 8XXX and 9XXX era graphics cards on this site. Now most people may have upgraded their GPU's by now, but their computers are still running in perfect condition. Not only that but their still running after being overclocked and overvolted all this time.

When it comes to computers around the house I build and take care of all of them. Recently my Dad spilled beer or coffee or something all over his keyboard and it stopped working. If that had been a laptop he would have had to have purchased a whole new computer. In this case I'm getting a new mechanical out of it because I'm giving him my old keyboard.
i7 3820
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 3820 AsRock X79 Extreme6 Sapphire 6950 2gb Sapphire 6950 2gb 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (4 x 4GB)  Crucial M4 128gb LG HD-DVD/Blu-Ray Combo Drive Corsair H80 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Pro 64bit Samsung XL2370 Cooler Master Quick Fire (cherry blues) Corsair TX850M 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Fractal Define R3 SS Xai SS 4HD Asus Xonar Essence ST 
  hide details  
Reply
i7 3820
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 3820 AsRock X79 Extreme6 Sapphire 6950 2gb Sapphire 6950 2gb 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (4 x 4GB)  Crucial M4 128gb LG HD-DVD/Blu-Ray Combo Drive Corsair H80 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Pro 64bit Samsung XL2370 Cooler Master Quick Fire (cherry blues) Corsair TX850M 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Fractal Define R3 SS Xai SS 4HD Asus Xonar Essence ST 
  hide details  
Reply
post #15 of 17
Like what james_ant said, computers in general have reach a point where they are good enough for everyday tasks. You don't need the latest Intel core i7 or an AMD eight core to run netflix, youtube, overclock.net, music player, movies, or facebook. Even gaming today doesn't require the latest top dog video card or the latest processors to run games at high settings anymore.

Mobile devices are selling like hotcakes because they are the latest fad. Everyone loves the new shinny. Since people don't really need to purchase a new computer these days outside of just replacing their old one that died, they have extra money to spend on small gadgets every couple of years instead of their computer. Sooner or later they too will hit a dry spell once they become good enough.

On the usability side of things, like what some have said already, a touch screen doesn't compare to a big beautiful 24+inch screen with a mouse and keyboard if you need to get work done. Try writing a 10 page paper on an tablet, let alone a smartphone. Is it possible? Of course. Is it feasible? No. Tablets are great if your laying on the couch browsing reddit or responding back to some emails, but there not great at getting work done. Smartphones are fantastic to check email on the go, but a pain to browse the web and do any sort of work on a small 4 inch screen. Laptop and desktops will be here for a long time, because keyboard and mice will never go away. Sure you can get a dock, mouse, keyboard, and even a monitor for your tablet, but then whats the difference between it and a laptop and desktop? What you can take your tablet on the go? But if your going to do work on it, chances are your going to sit down. Might as well just take your 14inch laptop with you.
post #16 of 17
the current view by motherboard makers is that desktops is still live on for gamers, media makers, enthusiasts, overclockers, and really to support mobile devices. That is why you see techs like extra USB power, and such being such a large advertising thing.
X99 Main Rig
(10 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel 5960X Extreme Edition @ 4.5GHz Always Changing VisonTek R9 290 G.Skill Ripjaws 4 16GB (4x4GB) DDR4 @ 3200MHz 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Samsung 128GB M.2 PCI-E 4x SSD Apotop 256GB SSD 1.82TB NAS Noctua NH-D15 with both fans 
OSPower
Win7 Pro Enermax 1000W 
  hide details  
Reply
X99 Main Rig
(10 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel 5960X Extreme Edition @ 4.5GHz Always Changing VisonTek R9 290 G.Skill Ripjaws 4 16GB (4x4GB) DDR4 @ 3200MHz 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Samsung 128GB M.2 PCI-E 4x SSD Apotop 256GB SSD 1.82TB NAS Noctua NH-D15 with both fans 
OSPower
Win7 Pro Enermax 1000W 
  hide details  
Reply
post #17 of 17
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sin0822 View Post

the current view by motherboard makers is that desktops is still live on for gamers, media makers, enthusiasts, overclockers, and really to support mobile devices. That is why you see techs like extra USB power, and such being such a large advertising thing.

Quality added info, thanks Sin. biggrin.gif
The Rock
(15 items)
 
  
Reply
The Rock
(15 items)
 
  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Intel - General
Overclock.net › Forums › Intel › Intel - General › The Post PC Era Discussion