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WoW completely died after Burning Crusade as far as I'm concerned, s'been a casual snoozefest ever since wrath. However I'd still be interested in trying this out if I get opt-ed in, if for no other reason than to see how far it's fallen.

I feel like the people that say this don't play or actually do heroic raid content.
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I feel like the people that say this don't play or actually do heroic raid content.

Usually. I remember doing the hard modes in Ulduar for the first time...jeez; it definitely felt a lot more difficult than vanilla (made BT and Sunwell feel like a cakewalk too).
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I feel like the people that say this don't play or actually do heroic raid content.

Lol. I quit when they nerfed Firefighter a week after the patch went live, after I already finished it. It was the only remotely difficult challenge in the entire expansion, which is a step up from Cataclysm that has offered 0 challenging content. Pales in comparison to the likes of Muru, and pre-BC encounters like C'Thun/horsemen.

However this thread isn't exactly intended to argue about how laughably easy WoW has become and the bottom denominator it caters to, so try not to derail. thumb.gif
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Lol. I quit when they nerfed Firefighter a week after the patch went live, after I already finished it. It was the only remotely difficult challenge in the entire expansion, which is a step up from Cataclysm that has offered 0 challenging content. Pales in comparison to the likes of Muru, and pre-BC encounters like C'Thun/horsemen.
However this thread isn't exactly intended to argue about how laughably easy WoW has become and the bottom denominator it caters to, so try not to derail. thumb.gif

Nothing but criticism about WoW's difficulty in both your last post and this one when it was not brought up once prior, yet warning others not to derail the thread in a discussion about WoW's difficulty. Uhhh...
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However this thread isn't exactly intended to argue about how laughably easy WoW has become and the bottom denominator it caters to, so try not to derail. thumb.gif

I don't think anybody's arguing, just having a discussion, at least that's what I'm trying to do. On the topic of difficulty though, pre-nerf H Ragnaros was the hardest encounter they've ever implemented into WoW, period. Much harder than M'uru, much harder than Horsemen, much harder than pre-nerf C'Thun. I will agree that M'uru was incredibly difficult, that fight required near perfect execution and was much less based off of RNG like Ragnaros in P4, but that's not the hard part of Rag so that's irrelevant.

On the topic of MoP, it looks relatively promising in the fields of misc. things that should have been added a long time ago, and they're going to apparently try and "balance PvP" by listening to the arena community for once. I suppose we'll see soon, I hope I get a beta invite soon rather than getting one right at the end like I did with Cataclysm frown.gif
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Lol. I quit when they nerfed Firefighter a week after the patch went live, after I already finished it. It was the only remotely difficult challenge in the entire expansion, which is a step up from Cataclysm that has offered 0 challenging content. Pales in comparison to the likes of Muru, and pre-BC encounters like C'Thun/horsemen.
However this thread isn't exactly intended to argue about how laughably easy WoW has become and the bottom denominator it caters to, so try not to derail. thumb.gif

Vanilla was only hard because organizing 40 people to do stuff in a coordinated manner is impossible. This is coming from a paladin who stayed out of combat in Molten Core to resurrect people prior to the zone wide combat patch, who waited 4 months for that sweet dragon shield from Vaelstraz (or whatever his name was, boss 2 in BWL), who downed C'Thun with that ridiculous merry-go-round of hate and got stuck on 4 Horsemen. Nothing in Vanilla was harder than having all 40 people behind the keyboards and able to understand basic commands. I can't speak to current or future content, but having played Vanilla up to Wrath I can say with confidence the difficulty increased if anything.
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Vanilla was only hard because organizing 40 people to do stuff in a coordinated manner is impossible. This is coming from a paladin who stayed out of combat in Molten Core to resurrect people prior to the zone wide combat patch, who waited 4 months for that sweet dragon shield from Vaelstraz (or whatever his name was, boss 2 in BWL), who downed C'Thun with that ridiculous merry-go-round of hate and got stuck on 4 Horsemen. Nothing in Vanilla was harder than having all 40 people behind the keyboards and able to understand basic commands. I can't speak to current or future content, but having played Vanilla up to Wrath I can say with confidence the difficulty increased if anything.

Spot on, I very much agree. Getting 40 people to cooperate vs. 25 or 10 is much harder. I also feel that people say Vanilla was difficult because it was still relatively new, and nobody was actually "great" at the game yet, I don't believe. I obviously cannot speak for everyone, I'm sure people just grasped the game more than others, but I think it took time for the majority to get used to the game itself.
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The difficulty of WoW has diminished over the years in its purest form - let's be honest, the entire concept of an MMORPG is trying to show others exactly how "badass" you were. What made Vanilla and BC feel so much harder is that a casual would be denied access to certain areas where only the best guilds were allowed to tread. That was a symbol of your prowess over the game. Sure Heroic Lich King was just as hard as Kil'Jaeden, but it was nowhere near as epic because you could do the same encounter at the Normal level. With the former, if you saw someone with full T6, you knew that they were some of the best players in the game and they had done encounters you hadn't.

I'm not arguing that such a system is good or bad; simply that it increases the divide between the casual and the hardcore. Ultimately, the hardcores will like that and the casuals will not; the hardcores will leave and the casuals will stay. And ultimately, the level and calibre of the player decreases.

I was never a hardcore player (I got to Vashj and Kael'thas pre-nerf but both destroyed my guild), but I never minded not seeing those hard, hard encounters. I knew I wasn't ready for them.

Just my 2c.
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The difficulty of WoW has diminished over the years in its purest form - let's be honest, the entire concept of an MMORPG is trying to show others exactly how "badass" you were. What made Vanilla and BC feel so much harder is that a casual would be denied access to certain areas where only the best guilds were allowed to tread. That was a symbol of your prowess over the game. Sure Heroic Lich King was just as hard as Kil'Jaeden, but it was nowhere near as epic because you could do the same encounter at the Normal level. With the former, if you saw someone with full T6, you knew that they were some of the best players in the game and they had done encounters you hadn't.
I'm not arguing that such a system is good or bad; simply that it increases the divide between the casual and the hardcore. Ultimately, the hardcores will like that and the casuals will not; the hardcores will leave and the casuals will stay. And ultimately, the level and calibre of the player decreases.
I was never a hardcore player (I got to Vashj and Kael'thas pre-nerf but both destroyed my guild), but I never minded not seeing those hard, hard encounters. I knew I wasn't ready for them.
Just my 2c.

I agree with you 100%. However, it is nice not having to spend countless hours on the game now trying to get good gear. Its nice being able to just jump in LFR for like an hour and getting some pretty cool loot. I have always done arena and battlegrounds so its nice being able to just hop in a raid and get carried smile.gif
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-40m raids -> 25m raids, because getting 40 decent players was too 'difficult'.
-25m raids -> 25m + 10m raids with different gear, because not everybody has 25 friends.
-25m + 10m raids -> 25m Hard Mode + 25m Easy mode + 10m Hard mode + 10m Easy mode, all with different gear, because some people suck.
-All that nonsense -> All that nonsense + the same loot from 25m/10m raids, because people who suck should get the same rewards.
-All that nonsense + same loot -> Addition of Cross-realm raid finder, because people who suck, have no friends, and are generally unlikable enough to not be included in any guild should get the same rewards as everybody else in a massively multiplayer online game.

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