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I can fully extend my body when I am supported by nothing below my rib cage, so this isn't really infeasible; I suppose it would depend on how exactly he's harnessed. He also has that triangular fabric between his legs (probably a control surface) that would be helping to lift them.

Yes, but can you use your upper body strength to push and pull something with great force, whilst keeping a planking position?
    
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Forget the 680, this is what I call news. I can't begin to imagine what he is feeling.
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I know vastly more about my amateur hobbies than I do about the profession I make a living off of. Is that ironic?
Anyway, my point is that amateur doesn't necessarily mean incompetent, and professional does not always imply knowledgeable.
Indeed, I'd have expected a fatality or three in the process.
Still not broadcasting one's mistakes in favor of one's apparent successes is not terribly unusual.
I'm still on the fence about the whole thing. Concept doesn't seem implausible, but there are definitely some oddities in the presentation.
Yeah, many of the complaints/doubts are utterly unrelated to anything that's really being questioned.

Well what I find weird is the elaborate detail this was done too. I don't think a person would bother spending the time or money working with a shop, or interviewing major professors. If you can CG it, then just CG it and fake the details. He could have CG'd every movie and just skipped the interviews, it doesn't really add any credibility as people have obviously not payed attention. Even CGI experts, apparently George Lucas studios so it's got merit, only cast doubt.
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Okay, so I don’t see any glaring visual problems, but that’s expected when the quality is as crappy as this. But that’s the first thing that makes me question its authenticity. They’re able to afford to build this thing, but can’t invest in proper video equipment, or… a tripod. If I were to make a fake video with the intention of going viral, I would make certain that the quality was as poor as possible to disguise any flaws in poor cg work. Another big visual issue I have with this video is the stability of his head during flight. Try and keep your head that still while waving your arms up and down when they aren’t attached to a giant wing contraption. Still, it seems almost too crazy to be fake and I was unable to find other glaring flaws with the video.

He doesn't say it's fake, just that he questions it's authenticity. I guess my biggest problem is people don't come to logical conclusions. Most people see reality as their reality and don't understand or even bother to make logical deductions as to why. If it doesn't make sense to them or it sounds stupid obviously they are trying to hide something. That's more or less how people think, since most of this "fakery" is about the camera work. That might also be due to people not reading the entire article(s) or simply not into science like that. That's dandy, just don't make claims that you can't scientifically back up is all I'm sayin.

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Yes, but can you use your upper body strength to push and pull something with great force, whilst keeping a planking position?

Are you serious? sad;lfjkads;ljfads;ljkf a EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. He doesn't use any great force, he has modified Wii motes tracking his arms while motors do the real work.

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That's all you said honestly.
Edited by mushroomboy - 3/21/12 at 9:14pm
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I forgot to mention.
In the photos of his rig, his harness appears to be made out of seatbelt straps.
He went through all this work to build these great wings and he couldn't find a safer and more comfortable solution?
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I think 0:34 to 0:43, looks questionable, but not enough to be convinced one way or the other. However, everything after that looks perfectly believable.

Did you watch this? Update 2, in particular is the smoking gun as far as I'm concerned. The guy in the middle only has 1 leg shadow and once you've seen it pointed out in the stabilized footage, it's so easy to notice in the original video, along with the people blurring and not interacting with the grass, which is also very apparent on the guy in the middle. That's beside the huge jitter of the rightmost guy's leg shadow.
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Guys and gals, it's fake.
The experts have spoken AND demonstrated it's a fake: http://gizmodo.com/5895235/cgi-experts-say-flying-bird-man-is-fake
If you only want the essential, look at these two videos: the first is preceded by "Emphasis added. Martin even produced a smoking gun:", and the second is the last video which is preceded by "Update 2: Another heavyweight CGI alum weighs in:"
In this video you can clearly see that the shadow from the guy on the right is clearly computer animated.
I expect him and his coleagues to be from a CG studio and this is their PR campaign.
    
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I was taught in school that man's strength to body mass ratio was not sufficient for self powered flight.
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Am I the only one that payed attention to the head-cam versus the main camera?

If you watch the first tree on the right, next to the water,
pay attention to it's location, as relative to him as he lifts off.

It really looks to me that he is much closer to that tree on the main camera when he lifts off,
as opposed to the distance I see from the head-cam just after he gets it the air.

I know the timing of the main camera and the head-cam could just be out of sync in editing them together,
but the guy's location should always match up between the two.

And I actually was feeling convinced this could be real until I noticed this... frown.gif
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I was taught in school that man's strength to body mass ratio was not sufficient for self powered flight.


Well that is wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gossamer_Albatross


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I was taught in school that man's strength to body mass ratio was not sufficient for self powered flight.

Self powered, no. But this isn't really self powered. Don't the wings flap by use of motion sensors? (Wii controller video?) You are still under the aid of enormous wings to make up for the strength/body mass ratio.

I see some possibility that this is real, but, I see April Fool's jokes from a mile away all the time. This being released a week or two before April Fool's day makes it kind of obvious.

Lol... observe the moment that the shadow appears on the wing. He is not even in front of the wing yet.

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