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post #321 of 1131
i'm still down for 4 of these and tottaly willing to put in the extra 60$ a pop for the no dead pixels it usually doesn't bother me but id rather have perfect screen essentially i'll be keeping 2 for me and 2 for my brother.

i also don't mind if there's no stand as long as i can access the VESA hole im all up for it
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Well marketing and branding easily adds 100% to the cost of a unit and so the actual cost of an A+ panel would not be it. Yes the A+ panel would cost more but not that much more.
I agree, there should be one that would see the potential profit to be made and willing to do it.
Anyone tried going direct to the chinese manufacturers that may have actually put these units together and see what can be done? Seen these type of units around $200 and shipping might be around $100.

Guys, please, please be realistic about prices. Stuff like branding, bezel redesign, custom stand/removal, all add complexity, increase risk, and have dubious effect on cost. Stuff like the pixel check explicitly increase cost, sometimes by a good deal (if you have a highly customized monitor, and it has a defect which means they can't sell it to us, then who CAN you sell it to? We're the only ones who wanted that kind of monitor in the first place!).

My suggestion is to get something that is based off a similar monitor right now, with as few modifications from that base model as possible. In my opinion, the cheapest, fastest, and surest way of getting this deal to go through is to order something exactly the same as what was shipping from Catleap in February. That model is 85/100/120hz capable, glossy, DL-DVI possible and comes with VESA mountings. The further you get away from that model, the more expensive it's going to be. Doesn't matter that it seems we have a "large" number of people who want it, it's not enough to get true economies of scale.

If everyone's really set on getting a "better" (in their minds) product than what was offered in February from Catleap, then the best way to get a deal is to indicate you're willing to pay a premium over what is available right now. The only thing that's happening by trying to nickel and dime this and that is that sellers will get the sense that their buyers are picky and potentially risky; meaning higher prices to offset that risk. And longer lead times. And more uncertainty.

evangelionstar, I don't mean to pick on you specifically, but the atmosphere in this thread is getting to the point where at least some people are going to get disappointed by what eventually comes through. Business isn't as simple as cost of materials and economies of scale.
post #323 of 1131
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This sounds like a case of the guy wanting his cake and eating it too.
He has virtually offered nothing extra over the standard offerings at the moment.
When he says A+ is too expensive HOW expensive?
Why cant he do DP? How much would it cost?

LG has contracts with Apple, Dell, HP, etc for all their A+ panels so I'm sure that's part of the reason why we're stuck with A/A-. They would have to compete with those companies in contract pricing to be able to get any A+ panels. It's not as simple as just asking LG to hand them 1200.
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post #324 of 1131
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Guys, please, please be realistic about prices. Stuff like branding, bezel redesign, custom stand/removal, all add complexity, increase risk, and have dubious effect on cost. Stuff like the pixel check explicitly increase cost, sometimes by a good deal (if you have a highly customized monitor, and it has a defect which means they can't sell it to us, then who CAN you sell it to? We're the only ones who wanted that kind of monitor in the first place!).
My suggestion is to get something that is based off a similar monitor right now, with as few modifications from that base model as possible. In my opinion, the cheapest, fastest, and surest way of getting this deal to go through is to order something exactly the same as what was shipping from Catleap in February. That model is 85/100/120hz capable, glossy, DL-DVI possible and comes with VESA mountings. The further you get away from that model, the more expensive it's going to be. Doesn't matter that it seems we have a "large" number of people who want it, it's not enough to get true economies of scale.
If everyone's really set on getting a "better" (in their minds) product than what was offered in February from Catleap, then the best way to get a deal is to indicate you're willing to pay a premium over what is available right now. The only thing that's happening by trying to nickel and dime this and that is that sellers will get the sense that their buyers are picky and potentially risky; meaning higher prices to offset that risk. And longer lead times. And more uncertainty.
evangelionstar, I don't mean to pick on you specifically, but the atmosphere in this thread is getting to the point where at least some people are going to get disappointed by what eventually comes through. Business isn't as simple as cost of materials and economies of scale.


I agree 100%.  Also, if you guys want all of that you can actually source those components yourself and "build" your own A+, pixel perfect, thin bezel, no stand, no branding monitor.  All the parts and pieces are out there and available (many Chinese sellers will in fact sell in onesey twosey not just 500 units per.)  We have been researching for weeks now and I have seen A+ panels no bezels for sale (NOT 120hz models though for cheap).  Do some googling and you can really build your own.


The problem is once you do all that, by my rough calculations, you're looking at about $600-$675 shipped to your door (maybe slightly higher depending on your bezel choices, etc.)  The best scenario IMHO is like kevinsbane said, get us those 2B spec'd Catleaps (or equivalent) and get us access to the PCBs/cabling as well.  Roughly $400 in your door for a shot at a 27" 120hz monster pixel perfect monitor (both of mine were) and at most having 2-3 dead with a crappy stand and some weird name on the front you can remove?  I'd take that all day and twice on Sundays.  The closer to spec (ones already being produced) we keep it, the cheaper it will be.  Takes five minutes to remove the Catleap stands and a day to paint the bezel if you really cannot stand YAMAKASI on the front.

   
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Guys, please, please be realistic about prices. Stuff like branding, bezel redesign, custom stand/removal, all add complexity, increase risk, and have dubious effect on cost. Stuff like the pixel check explicitly increase cost, sometimes by a good deal (if you have a highly customized monitor, and it has a defect which means they can't sell it to us, then who CAN you sell it to? We're the only ones who wanted that kind of monitor in the first place!).
My suggestion is to get something that is based off a similar monitor right now, with as few modifications from that base model as possible. In my opinion, the cheapest, fastest, and surest way of getting this deal to go through is to order something exactly the same as what was shipping from Catleap in February. That model is 85/100/120hz capable, glossy, DL-DVI possible and comes with VESA mountings. The further you get away from that model, the more expensive it's going to be. Doesn't matter that it seems we have a "large" number of people who want it, it's not enough to get true economies of scale.
If everyone's really set on getting a "better" (in their minds) product than what was offered in February from Catleap, then the best way to get a deal is to indicate you're willing to pay a premium over what is available right now. The only thing that's happening by trying to nickel and dime this and that is that sellers will get the sense that their buyers are picky and potentially risky; meaning higher prices to offset that risk. And longer lead times. And more uncertainty.
evangelionstar, I don't mean to pick on you specifically, but the atmosphere in this thread is getting to the point where at least some people are going to get disappointed by what eventually comes through. Business isn't as simple as cost of materials and economies of scale.

ABSOLUTELY correct and accurate. We need to stick as close to the original as possible, and that's what matters anyway. I'm still interested in one like that!
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I agree 100%.  Also, if you guys want all of that you can actually source those components yourself and "build" your own A+, pixel perfect, thin bezel, no stand, no branding monitor.  All the parts and pieces are out there and available (many Chinese sellers will in fact sell in onesey twosey not just 500 units per.)  We have been researching for weeks now and I have seen A+ panels no bezels for sale (NOT 120hz models though for cheap).  Do some googling and you can really build your own.


The problem is once you do all that, by my rough calculations, you're looking at about $600-$675 shipped to your door (maybe slightly higher depending on your bezel choices, etc.)  The best scenario IMHO is like kevinsbane said, get us those 2B spec'd Catleaps (or equivalent) and get us access to the PCBs/cabling as well.  Roughly $400 in your door for a shot at a 27" 120hz monster pixel perfect monitor (both of mine were) and at most having 2-3 dead with a crappy stand and some weird name on the front you can remove?  I'd take that all day and twice on Sundays.  The closer to spec (ones already being produced) we keep it, the cheaper it will be.  Takes five minutes to remove the Catleap stands and a day to paint the bezel if you really cannot stand YAMAKASI on the front.

I bet if it said Samsung instead, people would stop complaining rolleyes.gif

Although, for it to run at 120hz at full screen games still seems like a challenge in some cases
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I bet if it said Samsung instead, people would stop complaining rolleyes.gif
Although, for it to run at 120hz at full screen games still seems like a challenge in some cases


Yup.  The 120hz deal is a myth for now since we haven't had a stable full screen game yet at 120hz (I think Hyper is still working on the timings.)  The GPU world apparently isn't ready for us to take 27" of goodness and push the hell out of it to 120hz with Ultra settings on everything and just drool - shoot let alone do surround 3D or eyefinity!  We will get there.

 

   
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evangelionstar, I don't mean to pick on you specifically, but the atmosphere in this thread is getting to the point where at least some people are going to get disappointed by what eventually comes through. Business isn't as simple as cost of materials and economies of scale.

kevinsbane I dont believe Im being unrealistic at all and having dealt with companies producing sidelines I know the following can easily be done subject to cost:

100hz PCB
A+ screen
DP

I couldnt care less about the bezel or stickers etc and modifying those tid bits results in more effort and costs for them and hence us. Though a thin bezel would be nice and it would be a design they could keep selling on.

A Vesa Stand would be nice and ofcourse would cost more but not a major issue as we can all get our own stands.

I know people have jumped on and started requesting everything under the sky but I realise those requests with price constraints in mind would not be realistic or viable.


Finally, I would be willing to pay more to get the 100hz PCB, A+ screen and DP as I know it would cost more especially to ensure quality standards are met.


I dont believe my own personal requests are unviable or unrealistic.
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I agree 100%.  Also, if you guys want all of that you can actually source those components yourself and "build" your own A+, pixel perfect, thin bezel, no stand, no branding monitor.  All the parts and pieces are out there and available (many Chinese sellers will in fact sell in onesey twosey not just 500 units per.)  We have been researching for weeks now and I have seen A+ panels no bezels for sale (NOT 120hz models though for cheap).  Do some googling and you can really build your own.

The problem is once you do all that, by my rough calculations, you're looking at about $600-$675 shipped to your door (maybe slightly higher depending on your bezel choices, etc.)  The best scenario IMHO is like kevinsbane said, get us those 2B spec'd Catleaps (or equivalent) and get us access to the PCBs/cabling as well.  Roughly $400 in your door for a shot at a 27" 120hz monster pixel perfect monitor (both of mine were) and at most having 2-3 dead with a crappy stand and some weird name on the front you can remove?  I'd take that all day and twice on Sundays.  The closer to spec (ones already being produced) we keep it, the cheaper it will be.  Takes five minutes to remove the Catleap stands and a day to paint the bezel if you really cannot stand YAMAKASI on the front.
Hmmmm. Sounds about what I'm thinking in my head. Just kind of curious what you mean by us being able to source the components and build it ourselves. Is it really that easy?
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kevinsbane I dont believe Im being unrealistic at all and having dealt with companies producing sidelines I know the following can easily be done subject to cost:
100hz PCB
A+ screen
DP

100Hz PCB we're getting, that's the whole point of this

A+ screen is simply a cost thing, and I suspect the cost difference is bigger than you think (considering none of the big-name manufacturers would touch *any* panels less than A+, and people like LG have to get rid of their less than perfect panels somehow). I'd take $400 A- over $600 A+ easy.

Displayport entails a complete redesign of the input PCB and considering the manufacturer is already on the fence because of the risk of producing these monitors, paying their engineers to redesign the board would add an unreasonably high amount of risk to the entire proposition (and are they likely to make much more money if it's DP? Probably not). I'm not surprised they aren't going DP, but honestly with the right hardware dual-link DVI is more than capable of driving this monitor to very acceptable refresh rates. Not to mention that to even get any *benefit* out of displayport over DVI, your source would need to be 4-lane and support the highest possible clock rates, which I'm not even sure most displayport outputs will do.

Seriously guys; keep it simple, keep the cost and risk down - we just want guaranteed 2B style monitors. Just about everything else people can do on their own after the fact (stands, painting, etc...)
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