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Ahh! It seems my mind is still not quite 100% made up yet.. rctrucker, your comment has made me have second thoughts about ignoring the x79 platform. And just the fact that I keep seeing comments on this forum such as ''the 1155 platform is coming to the end of it's life''... and ''it's a dying chipset''..
Can I just ask, is it true that the IB platform will eventually utilize x79? I'm referring to the IB-E chips that seem to come up a lot here. If so, then I'm considering doing as rctrucker suggested and just going with an x79 build, but with a 3820, to get me by.
I even spec'd out a new potential x79 build, including some of the suggestions I have been given in this thread. I came up with the following;
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The above spec brings me to only 1100 euro and I still get my case and H100. I could then get a respectable OC from the 3820 and make it last until better cpu's come along for the x79. And of course I'd have a GTX 680 in there too. What is everybody's thoughts on this? I'm talking mainly in regards to maximizing 'future proofing' potential here.. Your advice has been extremely helpful so far but I just want to play it safe here, folks.

That build looks pretty good, I wouldn't say the 1155 platform is at the end of it's life, but the 68 chipset is. With that being said, there is a whole new lineup for the 1155 socket with a new chipset. I would say you have 2 solid options, go with your current build listed above, or wait for Ivybridge and the new chipset. The rest of the build can stay the same, minus quad kit of memory.

I don't think you will be disappointed either way, I would personally go with a newer socket which will have Ivybridge in the future, and that is why my sig rig is what it is. biggrin.gif
 
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That build looks pretty good, I wouldn't say the 1155 platform is at the end of it's life, but the 68 chipset is. With that being said, there is a whole new lineup for the 1155 socket with a new chipset. I would say you have 2 solid options, go with your current build listed above, or wait for Ivybridge and the new chipset. The rest of the build can stay the same, minus quad kit of memory.
I don't think you will be disappointed either way, I would personally go with a newer socket which will have Ivybridge in the future, and that is why my sig rig is what it is. biggrin.gif
Yeah, I have to say I am strongly leaning toward x79 again.. Like you say, IB will eventually come to X79 so it's like a win-win. They may be Hex core, but it's still the IB tech.. Also I might replace the Asus P9X79 with the Asus Sabertooth board instead. That would still bring me right to the same cost as my original X79 spec'd build.

Nothing's certain yet, you peeps can still try to change my mind, it aint too late lol. Seriously though, you've all been a great help regardless!
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Hyperbole about being 'a dying chipset' just means it won't be used for further processor series. Don't get upset by hyperventilating compulsive upgraders griping about spending an extra $100 every few years. 'Dying chipsets' is common, except for AMD which is using its same motherboard model forever.

'A dying chipset' means jack squat. What matters is the processors you want to run.

1155: runs sandy bridge and will run ivy bridge (Intel processors after ivy bridge will not use 1155). So 1155, when ivy bridge comes out is 'a dying chipset' because you won't re-use the same motherboard for future CPU series years down the road. Oh, dear. The horror. Obviously bad idea. /sarcasm It's still the best gaming chipset, even if it's 'dying.'

2011 runs sandy bridge-e and will run ivy bridge-e when it eventually comes out. After that, the 2011 chipset will similarly retire. So the only reason 2011 isn't a 'dying chipset' is that ivy bridge-e is taking so long to come out.

You're getting turned around by all this future upgrade nonsense. Ivy Bridge-e is unlikely to be desirable for gaming, for the same reason sandy bridge-e is no more desirable for gaming than sandy bridge. So why the hell would you want to consider 2011 instead of 1155 for upgrade purposes? Better processor series are always coming out. Unless you want to take into account the very tiny possibility ivy bridge-e will be better for gaming than ivy bridge, you should not look at future upgrades in choosing your current system.

Most users (you I think) are trying to plan for upgrades that happen 2 or more years in the future. Well in that case, EVERY SINGLE CHIPSET AVAILABLE is 'a dying chipset' because none will handle the processors being created years in the future.

So what you really want to look at is the i7-3820 or whatever vs an ivy bridge processor. Which of those will be better now? That's what matters. Unless, for some reason, you expect to want to spend another $700 or so in a year to get ivy bridge-e. Which I would consider strange.

Now if you've got the cash to burn on x79, go for it. But budget holds you back on any computer parts besides processor & mobo, then it seems better to upgrade those rather than blow money on x79.

On yet another hand, only you can judge the monetary value of not waiting to get started.
    
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Alright.. screw it! I'm waiting biggrin.gif

You've made some very good points, MisterFred. That was a very informative post and you get some +rep for that. You've made things very clear, which is what I needed, as I have been out of the loop for some time. It does make sense to wait, and that's what I will do. You can't blame me for being antsy though, given that I have been unable to experience any games for over a year! It's very easy to give in to impulse in my situation haha. I was literally on the verge of buying the X79 build.. until you brought me to my senses.

That's my final decisions now... hopefully! I'll try refrain from giving this any further thought, and just wait! Thanks again.
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I am not a compulsive upgrader. My last computer was a 955 BE, and when I purchased that, budget was a huge part.

There are arguments for both sides, but when it comes down to it, you just need to weigh your pros and cons. I'm sure there is plenty of information in this thread alone to aid you in your decision. The 2600k , the 3820 and the IB equivalent to the 2600k will all be the same price point. With that being said, Intel has kept the same pricing scheme for a long time now. That doesn't mean that the IB 1155 CPU will be better than the 3820 for that price point, but the overclock headroom might be better and give you more value for the money. The top of the line enthusiast processor will always be ~$1000 when it comes out, but there will always be a more affordable step down. They will continue to offer the same performance per dollar in their CPU line ups because they have a formula for sales and it works.

I haven't seen the price points on the new chipset for the 1155, so I can't really comment on how much money you will save in comparison to the X79 motherboards. The mid ranged Z68 mother boards are around $200, while the mid ranged X79 motherboards are around $250. A quad channel memory kit will cost you a little bit more than a tri channel kit(if you keep in mind you would get 8/16gb vs 6/12gb).

I like both builds, I just went for more CPU power because of streaming, which utilizes a lot of CPU power, and helps to have extra threads for.
 
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Well no, rctrucker, sorry didn't mean to imply that. I was mostly going on a rant stemming from one of OP's posts saying something like "I keep seeing people referring to 1155 as a dying chipset" or something like that. We may disagree here, but you seem to be providing reasonable advice, which I'm sure is appreciated.
    
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Hyperbole about being 'a dying chipset' just means it won't be used for further processor series. Don't get upset by hyperventilating compulsive upgraders griping about spending an extra $100 every few years. 'Dying chipsets' is common, except for AMD which is using its same motherboard model forever.
'A dying chipset' means jack ****. What matters is the processors you want to run.
1155: runs sandy bridge and will run ivy bridge (Intel processors after ivy bridge will not use 1155). So 1155, when ivy bridge comes out is 'a dying chipset' because you won't re-use the same motherboard for future CPU series years down the road. Oh, dear. The horror. Obviously bad idea. /sarcasm It's still the best gaming chipset, even if it's 'dying.'
2011 runs sandy bridge-e and will run ivy bridge-e when it eventually comes out. After that, the 2011 chipset will similarly retire. So the only reason 2011 isn't a 'dying chipset' is that ivy bridge-e is taking so long to come out.

^^This.
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after backreading TS did not mention what is actually the purpose of the rig, that's why his confused? the mention of future proofing a rig is impossible since every 6 months or so new tech is being introduce, in rig building what is really important is what will be the use of the rig to the seeker so that you will not end up with a rig your not going to actually use its potential and wasting money on it and once you have build the a rig based on what you use it for, you will not notice that time has gone enough that it needs to be upgraded & thats what really counts.

if you have read a lot of reviews and have seen a lot of benchmark, on potential of SB-E and SB on gaming & productivity suites, then you will know why it such as important to pinpoint the use of rig other than worrying its future upgrade path which is for me just a plus factor. no one can predict and stop this giant manufacturer from upgrading their product, because its a way of life change. just a personal thoughts.
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