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I never use beta. That's just me. I'd rather wait for final release.

In retrospect I've not had one driver issue since installing GTX 580 Jan 15, 2011 with Nvidia. No having to roll back a driver and only move foward with self clean install on each new driver.

thumb.gif I don't mind waiting for FPS improvements if it means no hassle.
     
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I never use beta. That's just me. I'd rather wait for final release.
In retrospect I've not had one driver issue since installing GTX 580 Jan 15, 2011 with Nvidia. No having to roll back a driver and only move foward with self clean install on each new driver.
thumb.gif I don't mind waiting for FPS improvements if it means no hassle.

I think I'm going to follow your lead tonight and uninstall the beta drivers and just go with the release day drivers. Tonight I plan to overclock my CPU and GPU's. It's probably better to have legit drivers anyway. I can't wait to get home.
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301.24 has been rock solid for me with both GTX 560 Ti and GTX 680, for reference smile.gif
    
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I had a chance to go through a run of Heaven when I was home for lunch and took a screenshot of my GPU-z and max clocks reached just to show how my card will not boost past what it is set to as shown in GPU-z. Anyone know if there is any difference between the 301.10 and 301.24 beta drivers that they have noticed with boost speeds? I'm running 301.24 beta and just wanted to make sure there is no difference. Everyone else says their card will boost past what GPU-z shows for the boost clock.
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The betas did nothing for my clock speeds.

I think your card might just be at its boost limit. The cards seem to have some offset based pre-programmed limits possibly based on ASIC quality and binning I suppose. That's why, for example, +100 offset to reference cards will take the default clock to 1106MHz, but boost to whatever random number off of that, with a lot of variation between cards. Some cards with +100 will barely boost to ~1125MHz range, others (like mine) will get close to 1220MHz.
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The betas did nothing for my clock speeds.
I think your card might just be at its boost limit. The cards seem to have some offset based pre-programmed limits possibly based on ASIC quality and binning I suppose. That's why, for example, +100 offset to reference cards will take the default clock to 1106MHz, but boost to whatever random number off of that, with a lot of variation between cards. Some cards with +100 will barely boost to ~1125MHz range, others (like mine) will get close to 1220MHz.

I agree that it may be pre-programmed, but maybe in the BIOS. I wouldn't think it stops there because it hit it's boost limit. I can leave the card at stock clocks and it will not boost above 1124Mhz (default boost). I can also OC it to +80 and it will reach and run at 1204Mhz. I have not seen a card here yet that only boosts to exactly what you have the boost set to in GPU-z. Even people that OC their cards still boost higher. That's why I think it may be BIOS on my card. I know there was another person here in the "GTX 680 availabilty" thread that got a Twin Frozr also and said he would test his out to see if it is the same as mine.

If anything, I guess it makes it easier for me to OC beings I know exactly what I will be getting and not have to guess what it will boost to like everyone else.
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Two quick questions come to mind:

1) Is it bad for these reference cards to have the fan running regularly at 80%? By bad I mean, that's like 4000rpm and although expensive these reference cards don't exactly feel like they are built with good quality (just a cheap plastic shroud). (nvidea must be raking in the money).

2) I understand that the core speed will down-clock the core speed in small steps once the card gets past 70c. But would a future driver update perhaps remove this limit? I would rather the gpu running at 80c with higher core clock and lower fan speed that having to sacrifice the cards true potential because of what I think is a rather low temp limit. My box says the card can last 10 years at 70c. But in 10 years this card won't be being used by anyone.

Seems like day by day the general opinion about the gtx 680 is getting lower. More posts like 'i got a non-reference super cooler version but damn, the chip isn't a good overclocker or 'these chips are supposedly high-end but we can't control voltage.
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Two quick questions come to mind:
1) Is it bad for these reference cards to have the fan running regularly at 80%? By bad I mean, that's like 4000rpm and although expensive these reference cards don't exactly feel like they are built with good quality (just a cheap plastic shroud). (nvidea must be raking in the money).
2) I understand that the core speed will down-clock the core speed in small steps once the card gets past 70c. But would a future driver update perhaps remove this limit? I would rather the gpu running at 80c with higher core clock and lower fan speed that having to sacrifice the cards true potential because of what I think is a rather low temp limit. My box says the card can last 10 years at 70c. But in 10 years this card won't be being used by anyone.
Seems like day by day the general opinion about the gtx 680 is getting lower. More posts like 'i got a non-reference super cooler version but damn, the chip isn't a good overclocker or 'these chips are supposedly high-end but we can't control voltage.

 

1. No

 

2. My card hits 80'C still auto clock up 1110Mhz core. I'm on 301.25 Beta

 
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Two quick questions come to mind:

1) Is it bad for these reference cards to have the fan running regularly at 80%? By bad I mean, that's like 4000rpm and although expensive these reference cards don't exactly feel like they are built with good quality (just a cheap plastic shroud). (nvidea must be raking in the money).

2) I understand that the core speed will down-clock the core speed in small steps once the card gets past 70c. But would a future driver update perhaps remove this limit? I would rather the gpu running at 80c with higher core clock and lower fan speed that having to sacrifice the cards true potential because of what I think is a rather low temp limit. My box says the card can last 10 years at 70c. But in 10 years this card won't be being used by anyone.

Seems like day by day the general opinion about the gtx 680 is getting lower. More posts like 'i got a non-reference super cooler version but damn, the chip isn't a good overclocker or 'these chips are supposedly high-end but we can't control voltage.

1. First off if your card is showing 99%-100% being utilized that means your using the entire video card performance and that's great. If your not able to use up 99% of your card during intense gaming when it needs to be, it means your CPU is bottlenecking / limiting your GPU and your not getting all the performance you should be. It depends on what your doing. It's not going to use 99% when your browsing the internet or playing Minecraft.

As for the second part to your first question 'are they build good quality'.... Not sure if your being serious? Only as good and in most cases better than the competition's top card. This must be your first high end card I'm going to assume. What were you expecting a titanium alloy shroud? tongue.gif It's been a plastic shroud for years and prior to that no shroud at all.

2, You might want to read this guide by Celeras to learn a litle about your card and over clocking. Read it twice if you don't understand it. It will help you figure out the new technology that's been implemented rather well. How to: 680 overclocking fundamentals.

As for low opinion around OCN - not if you ask anyone that actually owns it. I'll have to ask who is giving you or where you reading the info? Ask anyone owning an AMD card, most (not all) will give you a biased opinion glorifying their card over yours. It's the nature of the beast AMD vs Nvidia enigma here. It's hard for some folks to admit they both are very comparable in performance and regardless which you own they're both great cards.

Some reviews you may have missed will say otherwise: HardOCP, Hardware Canucks, Hardware Heaven, and many others just to name a few thumbs up.

As for the over volting debate: Let's clear the air once and for all.

You hear some saying they won't choose the new 680 because of voltage locks? Funny because even if you over volt the 7970 cards past 1.200v it doesn't seem to give them any higher over clocks even under water anyway. (Read what they are saying in their own threads). So our 1.175v limit is very close to their over volting limit. It's all relevantly equal.

We aren't being held back by the inability to over volt except for benching. Our being limited to choose a constant over clocked Core is our limitation, but only for benching. The benchmark program dosen't require full throttle performance all the way through and we aren't getting the juice are cards are capable of on a constant because it's down clocking itself where unneeded.

7970's have to over volt for higher Core clocks eventually because it's not happening dynamically on their cards. So if they want a higher Core they must apply more constant voltage. 24/7 high voltage is a card killer rather than only being applied when needed in the background theoretically.

The new 28nm fabrications have some similarities across AMD and Nvidia with how they respond to over volting and heat. So even if we were given the ability to over volt our cards, I'm afraid we'd run into the same wall they are.

However in games (where it counts most) we're showing most all of our 680's over the 1200 Mhz Core clock and getting comparable FPS and in most cases, better. We also have those with golden chips that are hitting 1300 MHz as well, even without over voltage. In games we have one awesome GPU boosting and pushing FPS where it counts most.

So judging the 680 vs 7970 in benchmarks is no longer a good gauge as we've used in the past. If your reading low opinion based on benches, don't let it bother you. Luckily we don't play 3DMark11 or Heaven benchmark, but we do great gaming.

My card gets pushed to 1254 Mhz and I consider my card average compared to others around the club. No voltage tweak required and under 70C. thumb.gif
     
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Thanks that's a lot of info,

I'm stable at 1245 core clock and 3500MHz on the mem, I can keep it at 68c, 98% gpu usage by having the fan at 82% Noisy, but i guess the noise will be drowned out by the explosions etc in battlefield 3. Any higher on the clock and it'll crash the driver and I need to restart.

I'll try the trick of putting the fan facing the back of the card (where it has that tiny slot to allow extra air in) and see if that helps lower temps as someone suggested.

By bad build quality I mean, I could hear my plastic shroud popping when holding it up to insert it into the pci-e slot. Like when you press a half empty coke can. I don't expect it to be made out of titanium, but at least be firmer that it is.

Also I don't think my cpu will bottleneck a single gtx 680. It's running at 4.8GHz and I have a bios profile for it that is stable at 5GHz.
Edited by ilikebeer - 4/25/12 at 11:54pm
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